[FUD] GT300 is codenamed Fermi

[tajoh111]

Personally, having owned a pair of 4850's since they first came out, and seeing nVidia's continual underhanded renaming practices and the sheer bloat of the GTX280, AMD have my money again this time. Sorry, but the 5870 is far too tempting not to take advantage of. I dont care if the GTX gets 110fps vs 90fps in a particular game - it's high enough for me, i buy the cards to play GAMES with, not to be a benchmark king. Heat plays a large part of my decision, as does energy efficiency, as i don't want to be forced into buying ANOTHER power supply, just because my SEVEN HUNDRED WATT one is suddenly deemed to be 'weak', and also lacking in 8-pin PCIe power connectors (just having 2x 6pin).

nVidia may be the king of the brute force hill, but it's taken too many tradeoffs to get there. They've sacrificed practicality (heat, power consumption, noise, size & affordability) for a win. AMD's approach is far better thought out, in my opinion.

I'm not a fanboy however, if the GT300 comes out and surprises me, then i'll consider it - but i wont buy a card that costs the earth just because 'IT ARE TEH FASTEST!!!!1111ELEVENTY!!11'...

nVidia's history is replete with such examples...does the FX5800 ring any bells? I'm not singling out the 5870 vs the GTX280, but the companies approach as a whole. nVidia will do anything it takes to win, regardless of the sacrifices it makes. AMD's approach is more considered.

Why *shouldn't* i put down noise as a consideration? I leave my rig up 24/7 and sleep in the same room, i dont want a loud ass fan whirring away. My 4850's are almost silent. The last nVidia card i had sounded like a 747 at takeoff almost all the time, and could still barely maintain 50*c idle temps.

I mentioned a 4850....and you came up with a 4890 being noisier than a GTX285....

How also, is a stupidly unrealistic 'benchmark' that bears NO relation to real world usage indicative of 'poor quality'? Go read Anandtech's review, and find out why furmark is a steaming pile of useless doo-doo.

I've never stated that nVidia is the evil company either, nor that AMD is some plucky underdog. I've had cards from both companies over the years, but all i've seen lately out of nVidia, is renaming G92's over and over, the top of the line products being bloated and overpriced, noisy (having HEARD a GTX285, i know it's a card i'd never want to buy for that reason alone). AMD's offerings since the 4800 series was introduced have been far more appealing to me (price v performance being the prime reason), hence my decision to choose the 5870 this time around, and stick with the AMD camp.

All we've heard for ages is how Jen-Hsun Huang is going to 'open a can of whoop-ass', and yet, i've seen no can's being opened, just refreshes of 18-20 month old products with new badges. I know i'm not the only person to be thinking that nVidia has dropped the ball again. They did it with the FX lineup (vs the 9x00 series), and ATi did it with the X1800 and the 2x00 series.

Bodkin - if you bothered to READ any reviews of the 5870 - you'd see that actually there's nothing wrong with the reference design as far as cooling goes. The only criticism i have of my 4850's, is that the heat is dumped back into the case, rather than vented out the back (just like the 8800GT i had before it), but considering i run an open case, it's a moot point. And a 4870X2 WILL be hot - its two GPU's on one PCB ffs. The GTX295, in comparison, isn't going to be magically cooler just because it comes from the nVidia camp.

I don't know what to make of this?

You are buying the 5870 because its quiet and your basing this claim off of your ownership of a 4850 crossfire. Yet when people tell you a 4870 and 4890 are load, you try to say your claim is based on your ownership of a 4850. Yet you are buying a 5870 which is the replacement for the 4870/4890. Don't you think you should disregard your own evidence since the 4870/4890 are more similar to the 5870.

Also your basing the loudness of NV cards in general based on the fx 5800 which is a 6 plus year old videocard?

[Personal insults are not allowed on the XS Forums. - Mods] Seriously you have to see your reasoning why AMD cards are quiet is pretty bad and evidence against NV for making loud cards is pretty bad.

If you look at anandtech review.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=26

A single 5870 is louder than SLI gtx 285. Also you mention your last card NV card was a 8800gt and you said it sounded like a 747 24/7. Hmm, look at those charts, according to them the 4850 is significantly louder than the 8800gt. Even taking into account experimental variation, I don't see how your first hand accounts can have the 8800gt sounding like a 747, while you can't hear your 4850 in crossfire. Hmmm, are you lying for the sake of your own argument?

Sure the idle of 5870 is quiet, but pretty much every companies videocard is quiet.

Even if your not an AMD fanboy as you claim, its obvious you have bias against NV, which is really no better in making a good argument.

Also don't you think your making too many assumption about the performance, price, power usage and loudness of card not out yet?(the gtx 380).