[FUD] GT300 is codenamed Fermi

[Newblar]

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Guys, come on, there is Wampeteers, Foma, & Granfaloons section for this!
Thanks.

And talking about the single PCB GTX395 design... If the chip is really that hot and so big, single PCB card isn't really an option because it'd have to be really really long.
I mean, look at 5870x2. Huge already... And now imagine a board with 2x GT300...

yeah it seems like nvidia is not done with dual pcb GX2s

[Xoulz]

lol.. I use to work @ Fermi

[OCguy]

It sounds very much like "Hey we are releasing the best GPGPU's by far! (oh btw they should be alright in games too)"

They might be competitive with the 5870 performance wise, but i'm sure they won't be nearly as power efficient.

They will either have to whore out the cards at low prices or rely on the goodwill of their regular customers from the past when nvidia was on top.

Some pretty big assumptions there to reach that conclusion!

So when ATi had its flagship selling for ~$150 AMIR, was that considered whoring out?

[saaya]

did anybody else notice this?
the whole news article is written in very nvidia friendly pleasing language, but then theres this:

The gaming part is also going to be fast but we won’t know who will end up faster in DirectX 11 games

which essentially says gt300 might NOT beat 5870? :o
idk if its fudo stumbling over his own words like he does sometimes... or if this is a hint...

its the first time somebody is questioning that gt300 will outperform every other single gpu card for sure.

[RealTelstar]

Do you guys honestly believe NV gt300 will beat a 5870x2 which is right around the corner

Yes.

[Kai Robinson]

Personally, having owned a pair of 4850's since they first came out, and seeing nVidia's continual underhanded renaming practices and the sheer bloat of the GTX280, AMD have my money again this time. Sorry, but the 5870 is far too tempting not to take advantage of. I dont care if the GTX gets 110fps vs 90fps in a particular game - it's high enough for me, i buy the cards to play GAMES with, not to be a benchmark king. Heat plays a large part of my decision, as does energy efficiency, as i don't want to be forced into buying ANOTHER power supply, just because my SEVEN HUNDRED WATT one is suddenly deemed to be 'weak', and also lacking in 8-pin PCIe power connectors (just having 2x 6pin).

nVidia may be the king of the brute force hill, but it's taken too many tradeoffs to get there. They've sacrificed practicality (heat, power consumption, noise, size & affordability) for a win. AMD's approach is far better thought out, in my opinion.

I'm not a fanboy however, if the GT300 comes out and surprises me, then i'll consider it - but i wont buy a card that costs the earth just because 'IT ARE TEH FASTEST!!!!1111ELEVENTY!!11'...

[Nightcover]

... noise, size

Please don't put noise as a sacrifice for using nvidia; ever.

and wtf size? they are almost the same.

[Kai Robinson]

nVidia's history is replete with such examples...does the FX5800 ring any bells? I'm not singling out the 5870 vs the GTX280, but the companies approach as a whole. nVidia will do anything it takes to win, regardless of the sacrifices it makes. AMD's approach is more considered.

Why *shouldn't* i put down noise as a consideration? I leave my rig up 24/7 and sleep in the same room, i dont want a loud ass fan whirring away. My 4850's are almost silent. The last nVidia card i had sounded like a 747 at takeoff almost all the time, and could still barely maintain 50*c idle temps.

[003]

They've sacrificed practicality (heat, power consumption, noise, size & affordability) for a win.

Ha. The 4890 is noisier than the GTX285 and uses more power at idle. At load the 285 uses just slightly more power, but it's within the range of 10W, so negligible.

[Andrew LB]

nVidia's history is replete with such examples...does the FX5800 ring any bells? I'm not singling out the 5870 vs the GTX280, but the companies approach as a whole. nVidia will do anything it takes to win, regardless of the sacrifices it makes. AMD's approach is more considered.

I've always gotten a laugh out of this whole theory that the "big" company is always evil and will do anything to win... (nVidia, Intel, Microsoft, etc)... and somehow the little guy... (ATi, AMD, etc) is more noble, honest, and has a far better strategy.

[Bodkin]

I've always gotten a laugh out of this whole theory that the "big" company is always evil and will do anything to win... (nVidia, Intel, Microsoft, etc)... and somehow the little guy... (ATi, AMD, etc) is more noble, honest, and has a far better strategy.

Someone invoke Godwin's law :P

[Clairvoyant129]

nVidia's history is replete with such examples...does the FX5800 ring any bells? I'm not singling out the 5870 vs the GTX280, but the companies approach as a whole. nVidia will do anything it takes to win, regardless of the sacrifices it makes. AMD's approach is more considered.

Why *shouldn't* i put down noise as a consideration? I leave my rig up 24/7 and sleep in the same room, i dont want a loud ass fan whirring away. My 4850's are almost silent. The last nVidia card i had sounded like a 747 at takeoff almost all the time, and could still barely maintain 50*c idle temps.

What are you talking about? Have you even seen the HD4870/4890s in action? They use more power and are nosier.

Not to mention HD4000 series fails Furmark so you can be sure their build quality is inferior.

[Bodkin]

What are you talking about? Have you even seen the HD4870/4890s in action? They use more power and are nosier.

Not to mention HD4000 series fails Furmark so you can be sure their build quality is inferior.

Dont get me started about my bloody 4870x2, was like having a space heater with a jam in it. Made my dyson sound wispier quite. I hate all reference cooling (8800gt is the exception) but 48xx relly sucked in this regard. I dont know what the 58xx reference cooler is like but I doubt it is much better

[Kai Robinson]

I mentioned a 4850....and you came up with a 4890 being noisier than a GTX285....

How also, is a stupidly unrealistic 'benchmark' that bears NO relation to real world usage indicative of 'poor quality'? Go read Anandtech's review, and find out why furmark is a steaming pile of useless doo-doo.

I've never stated that nVidia is the evil company either, nor that AMD is some plucky underdog. I've had cards from both companies over the years, but all i've seen lately out of nVidia, is renaming G92's over and over, the top of the line products being bloated and overpriced, noisy (having HEARD a GTX285, i know it's a card i'd never want to buy for that reason alone). AMD's offerings since the 4800 series was introduced have been far more appealing to me (price v performance being the prime reason), hence my decision to choose the 5870 this time around, and stick with the AMD camp.

All we've heard for ages is how Jen-Hsun Huang is going to 'open a can of whoop-ass', and yet, i've seen no can's being opened, just refreshes of 18-20 month old products with new badges. I know i'm not the only person to be thinking that nVidia has dropped the ball again. They did it with the FX lineup (vs the 9x00 series), and ATi did it with the X1800 and the 2x00 series.

Bodkin - if you bothered to READ any reviews of the 5870 - you'd see that actually there's nothing wrong with the reference design as far as cooling goes. The only criticism i have of my 4850's, is that the heat is dumped back into the case, rather than vented out the back (just like the 8800GT i had before it), but considering i run an open case, it's a moot point. And a 4870X2 WILL be hot - its two GPU's on one PCB ffs. The GTX295, in comparison, isn't going to be magically cooler just because it comes from the nVidia camp.

[Bodkin]

Bodkin - if you bothered to READ any reviews of the 5870 - you'd see that actually there's nothing wrong with the reference design as far as cooling goes. The only criticism i have of my 4850's, is that the heat is dumped back into the case, rather than vented out the back (just like the 8800GT i had before it), but considering i run an open case, it's a moot point. And a 4870X2 WILL be hot - its two GPU's on one PCB ffs. The GTX295, in comparison, isn't going to be magically cooler just because it comes from the nVidia camp.

I did say I had no experience with 58xx so fair play to you, but I think you are wrong about gtx285 being loud compared to the 48xx

[Kai Robinson]

I have TWO 4850's putting out a mere 39dB of noise between them, currently sat at idle. I'll fire up TF2 later on tomorrow and measure them under load.

[Bodkin]

I have TWO 4850's putting out a mere 39dB of noise between them, currently sat at idle. I'll fire up TF2 later on tomorrow and measure them under load.

Cool, and I will fire up batman and enjoy the AA (runs away :P)


Im only kidding. Like I say I was just burnt with the 4870x2, whatever setup works best for you is the one you should run No hard feelings?

[Kai Robinson]

Play away chum, i never really liked superheroes

[Farinorco]

So is there going to be a dual GPU GT300 card? Hell, I hope not. If NVIDIA achieves to revert the situation from the last generation (and I hope they do, otherwise, bad for them and bad for everybody) their >500mm^2 giganormous chip should be direct competitor to the HD5870 X2 (the higher end uncut version, of course). And if that happens, then a dual card with >500mm^2 chips has no point. Last generation they released one because the single chips from both companies were too close despite of their different goals so they needed it to compete with the dual solution of ATi. Let's hope that this time around the same thing doesn't happen, because that means huge losses to NVIDIA (repricing and all). And that is not going to affect the consumer on the short term, but probably will in the long term.

[tajoh111]

Personally, having owned a pair of 4850's since they first came out, and seeing nVidia's continual underhanded renaming practices and the sheer bloat of the GTX280, AMD have my money again this time. Sorry, but the 5870 is far too tempting not to take advantage of. I dont care if the GTX gets 110fps vs 90fps in a particular game - it's high enough for me, i buy the cards to play GAMES with, not to be a benchmark king. Heat plays a large part of my decision, as does energy efficiency, as i don't want to be forced into buying ANOTHER power supply, just because my SEVEN HUNDRED WATT one is suddenly deemed to be 'weak', and also lacking in 8-pin PCIe power connectors (just having 2x 6pin).

nVidia may be the king of the brute force hill, but it's taken too many tradeoffs to get there. They've sacrificed practicality (heat, power consumption, noise, size & affordability) for a win. AMD's approach is far better thought out, in my opinion.

I'm not a fanboy however, if the GT300 comes out and surprises me, then i'll consider it - but i wont buy a card that costs the earth just because 'IT ARE TEH FASTEST!!!!1111ELEVENTY!!11'...

nVidia's history is replete with such examples...does the FX5800 ring any bells? I'm not singling out the 5870 vs the GTX280, but the companies approach as a whole. nVidia will do anything it takes to win, regardless of the sacrifices it makes. AMD's approach is more considered.

Why *shouldn't* i put down noise as a consideration? I leave my rig up 24/7 and sleep in the same room, i dont want a loud ass fan whirring away. My 4850's are almost silent. The last nVidia card i had sounded like a 747 at takeoff almost all the time, and could still barely maintain 50*c idle temps.

I mentioned a 4850....and you came up with a 4890 being noisier than a GTX285....

How also, is a stupidly unrealistic 'benchmark' that bears NO relation to real world usage indicative of 'poor quality'? Go read Anandtech's review, and find out why furmark is a steaming pile of useless doo-doo.

I've never stated that nVidia is the evil company either, nor that AMD is some plucky underdog. I've had cards from both companies over the years, but all i've seen lately out of nVidia, is renaming G92's over and over, the top of the line products being bloated and overpriced, noisy (having HEARD a GTX285, i know it's a card i'd never want to buy for that reason alone). AMD's offerings since the 4800 series was introduced have been far more appealing to me (price v performance being the prime reason), hence my decision to choose the 5870 this time around, and stick with the AMD camp.

All we've heard for ages is how Jen-Hsun Huang is going to 'open a can of whoop-ass', and yet, i've seen no can's being opened, just refreshes of 18-20 month old products with new badges. I know i'm not the only person to be thinking that nVidia has dropped the ball again. They did it with the FX lineup (vs the 9x00 series), and ATi did it with the X1800 and the 2x00 series.

Bodkin - if you bothered to READ any reviews of the 5870 - you'd see that actually there's nothing wrong with the reference design as far as cooling goes. The only criticism i have of my 4850's, is that the heat is dumped back into the case, rather than vented out the back (just like the 8800GT i had before it), but considering i run an open case, it's a moot point. And a 4870X2 WILL be hot - its two GPU's on one PCB ffs. The GTX295, in comparison, isn't going to be magically cooler just because it comes from the nVidia camp.

I don't know what to make of this?

You are buying the 5870 because its quiet and your basing this claim off of your ownership of a 4850 crossfire. Yet when people tell you a 4870 and 4890 are load, you try to say your claim is based on your ownership of a 4850. Yet you are buying a 5870 which is the replacement for the 4870/4890. Don't you think you should disregard your own evidence since the 4870/4890 are more similar to the 5870.

Also your basing the loudness of NV cards in general based on the fx 5800 which is a 6 plus year old videocard?

[Personal insults are not allowed on the XS Forums. - Mods] Seriously you have to see your reasoning why AMD cards are quiet is pretty bad and evidence against NV for making loud cards is pretty bad.

If you look at anandtech review.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=26

A single 5870 is louder than SLI gtx 285. Also you mention your last card NV card was a 8800gt and you said it sounded like a 747 24/7. Hmm, look at those charts, according to them the 4850 is significantly louder than the 8800gt. Even taking into account experimental variation, I don't see how your first hand accounts can have the 8800gt sounding like a 747, while you can't hear your 4850 in crossfire. Hmmm, are you lying for the sake of your own argument?

Sure the idle of 5870 is quiet, but pretty much every companies videocard is quiet.

Even if your not an AMD fanboy as you claim, its obvious you have bias against NV, which is really no better in making a good argument.

Also don't you think your making too many assumption about the performance, price, power usage and loudness of card not out yet?(the gtx 380).

[570091D]

jeez gpu release season just brings out the worst in all of us doesn't it?

i expect the fermi core to have equally inovative power saving features to the hd5xxx series. power/performance ratios for the gt200b were awesome compared to the rv770 (gtx295 vs hd4870x2). i wouldn't be supprised to see fermi using power gating or serious down clocking (like evergreen) to achieve further energy savings.

[Clairvoyant129]

I mentioned a 4850....and you came up with a 4890 being noisier than a GTX285.... blah blah blah.

I'm not even going to bother since your argument is obviously flawed and retarded.

Maybe you should take a look at tajoh's post,

I don't know what to make of this?

You are buying the 5870 because its quiet and your basing this claim off of your ownership of a 4850 crossfire. Yet when people tell you a 4870 and 4890 are load, you try to say your claim is based on your ownership of a 4850. Yet you are buying a 5870 which is the replacement for the 4870/4890. Don't you think you should disregard your own evidence since the 4870/4890 are more similar to the 5870.

Also your basing the loudness of NV cards in general based on the fx 5800 which is a 6 plus year old videocard?

<snipped out flame> Seriously you have to see your reasoning why AMD cards are quiet is pretty bad and evidence against NV for making loud cards is pretty bad.

If you look at anandtech review.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=26

A single 5870 is louder than SLI gtx 285. Also you mention your last card NV card was a 8800gt and you said it sounded like a 747 24/7. Hmm, look at those charts, according to them the 4850 is significantly louder than the 8800gt. Even taking into account experimental variation, I don't see how your first hand accounts can have the 8800gt sounding like a 747, while you can't hear your 4850 in crossfire. Hmmm, are you lying for the sake of your own argument?

Sure the idle of 5870 is quiet, but pretty much every companies videocard is quiet.

Even if your not an AMD fanboy as you claim, its obvious you have bias against NV, which is really no better in making a good argument.

Also don't you think your making too many assumption about the performance, price, power usage and loudness of card not out yet?(the gtx 380).

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[Serra]

Let's all take a 10 minute break and regroup here guys. We do have a Zero Tolerance policy on the news section ATM so I would advise you that if you even just have a questionably toned post you give a serious rethink before hitting "submit".

Other mods aren't nearly as lenient and willing to just publicly embarrass people by modding posts as I am (and you don't even want to know what the admins will do to you).

[Chickenfeed]

Just to provide some first hand info I've used SLI / CF 4850/70s and 260/280s in my machine and noise / power wise, the Core 216s took the cake in both single and dual configs. The 280 is louder but still reasonable. The 4870 is a tad louder than the 260s but not too much (somewhere in between the 260/280 at load ). I haven't used a 4890 in my machine personally but I've toyed around with a friends and they are the loudest single gpu dual slot at the moment ( all of this information is based on my experience using these products with reference designs on auto fan profiles and clock speeds )

I've personally been more impressed with Nvidia's reference design over the last 5 years more so than ATI ( and until the 8800gtx, I exclusively used ATI cards from the 9700-x1900xt ) I am glad that ATI did finally use a solid sink on the 5870 ( longer pcb and backplate ect ) I know many people really liked the fact that the 4870s were short in comparison to the GTX200s ( and for the average case I'd agree as well ; when I first installed the 260s first thing I thought was WHOA and this isn't even the high end card :p ) but I'm all for more surface area for a beefier HS/F. Please respect all of the above as the subjective opinion of another user and nothing more. Just thought I could help add some first hand experience to the discussion.

As far as what I'm expecting for GT300 my guess is it won't beat Cypress at performance per watt but I still expect it to be a fair bit faster on average (%10-25 single gpu) so those willing to shell out the extra money for the sake of performance if true, they'd be the card to get but performance for dollar, will remain in the ATI camp.

[Kain665]

Let's all take a 10 minute break and regroup here guys. We do have a Zero Tolerance policy on the news section ATM so I would advise you that if you even just have a questionably toned post you give a serious rethink before hitting "submit".

Other mods aren't nearly as lenient and willing to just publicly embarrass people by modding posts as I am (and you don't even want to know what the admins will do to you).

Tarring and Feathering should be instituted as a punishment on the XS News forum.