Waterblocks on i7 - Part 5

[Blackwhite]

I have a problem with my temps.I'm using HK 3.0 with backplate settings: 3.8 GHz 1.24v and temps are:
Idle 48 C and Full Load 83 C.
My loop is:
DDC 1T, XSPC RX360 rad with Noctua S12 fans, HK 3.0 , EK FC GTX 280, and 3/8" tubing.
Temps was the same on Apogee GTZ - what is going on?Is my chip crap?

[nipper575]

what is your ambient temp? Actually isn't it always cold in Scotland and Poland? lol.

[Blackwhite]

Ambient is quite high, my room is very small.
I'm living in scotland now :P
Surface of my block seems to be not stright, IHS of my CPU as well.

[Ketzer7]

HESmelaugh-

Have you seen the new copper top for the EK Supreme? PPCs sells a pre-installed version and makes the statement on their site of

Internal testing have shown this block to be 2.5o C Cooler than previous versions and one of the best CPU Water blocks currently on the market!

Link to copper Supreme

Given your original chart from this thread, that would put it pretty much on par with the HK 3.0.

If you still have the EK Supreme, would it be hard to test it again with this copper top to see if this is true or not? Thanks!

[millertime359]

Must be a whole new block. I don't see how just a copper top could net you almost 3 degrees unless you have a fan blowing fresh cool air directly on it or something.

[Ketzer7]

Must be a whole new block. I don't see how just a copper top could net you almost 3 degrees unless you have a fan blowing fresh cool air directly on it or something.

I was thinking the same thing, but hey I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until someone independent tests it out to see. Any takers?

[Humminn55]

Must be a whole new block. I don't see how just a copper top could net you almost 3 degrees unless you have a fan blowing fresh cool air directly on it or something.

I was wondering the same thing given that the HK 3.0's copper and POM topped blocks are supposed to be within 1C of each other.....just wonder how putting a copper top on the EK gave 2.5C.

Of course, the "internal testing" is never described, is it? No mention of how it was tested, mounts, etc.

Strange....

[millertime359]

I was wondering the same thing given that the HK 3.0's copper and POM topped blocks are supposed to be within 1C of each other.....just wonder how putting a copper top on the EK gave 2.5C.

Of course, the "internal testing" is never described, is it? No mention of how it was tested, mounts, etc.

Strange....

Unless Eddy, redesigned the internals on this. If it's just a copper topped Supreme, maybe they dunked the block in ice water.

[Ketzer7]

given that the HK 3.0's copper and POM topped blocks are supposed to be within 1C of each other

I could have sworn I saw this result in a test on here before, but I can't find it again now. Do you have the link to those results?

The copper topped HK is ~$22 more expensive than the delrin LT version, but if they are within 1C of each other, what's the point.. Not to mention the black LT version would go better with my coloring scheme with all else being equal.

[HESmelaugh]

Well, unless the internals of that Copper Supreme were changed vs. the normal one, there's no way it could be that much better.

But I call marketing bull anyway. I mean, how much more vague than "Internal testing have shown this block to be 2.5o C Cooler than previous versions and one of the best CPU Water blocks currently on the market!" can you get?

Internal testing (by whom? when?) have shown this block to be 2.5o C (Measured how? What heat source? 2.5 C delta or absolute? What were the ambient factors like temps, flowrates etc?) Cooler than previous versions and one of the best CPU Water blocks currently on the market! (One of the best? Like one among the top ten or twenty? Or are we talking about the HK 3.0? Also, the statement implies that the previous Supreme had identical performance to this "one of the best" waterblocks as apparently the copper Supreme is 2.5 C better than either.)

I'm not saying they are lying or anything like that. I'm just pointing to what makes the difference between a test and a claim.

[scamps]

/signed

Could/should we believe in every statement of every supplier of lc-stuff?

Eddy seems to be a nice guy, but he has to be a good salesman first.

[millertime359]

I could have sworn I saw this result in a test on here before, but I can't find it again now. Do you have the link to those results?

The copper topped HK is ~$22 more expensive than the delrin LT version, but if they are within 1C of each other, what's the point.. Not to mention the black LT version would go better with my coloring scheme with all else being equal.

I remember seeing it too. I forget where, but IIRC, it wasn't even a full degree unless you had fan blow cool air on the block, then you saw the full degree difference.

IMO, the copper top is more for bling than performance.

[HESmelaugh]

I never tested the HK 3.0 to the basically identical HK 3.0 LT, but Bundymania did. In his test, I think there was a 0.1° difference between the two and I am absolutely certain that this was a random variaton and not a real difference.
The copper top offers such minimal extra surface area that it can't really affect the performance.

[Leeghoofd]

Did you have any issues with the Yellowstone block HSME ? I can't get a proper fit with it on my unlapped i950. Mount is pretty poor here, even with the springs all the way tightened ( TIM imprint tells the tale time after time )

[HESmelaugh]

No, I had no problems with the Yellowstone at all.
Have you checked the base with a razor or something similar, to see if it's flat? I got a block with a bent (concave) base once, so I guess it can just happen that you get unlucky and get a warped base.

Don't know what else could explain the problem since the Yellowstone has a normal mounting mechanism.

[Leeghoofd]

Yeah that was what I needed to know, just wanted to the shape of your base... seems I got a bad sample, only hits the cores 1cm in with or so, rest of the TIM doesn't spread at all

[Zeus]

Just a heads up for anyone wanting a HK3.0 nickel plated:

http://www.a-c-shop.de/Watercool-HEA...ckelt-A-C-Shop

Available for socket 775 and 1336 yet.

[g0dM@n]

Is it just me or is it unbelievable that the Enzotech SCW-REV.A CPU Waterblock does so well and is only $35 @ newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835708019

I'm looking for something to replace my stock original D-Tek Fuzion on my Phenom II 945. My temps @ 1.50vcore 3.82ghz are low 40s idle... unless I crank my A/C. I'm not happy with these temps. I sit at around 40C idle maybe a bit less when AC is running.

I'm looking to spend ~$50 for a nice replacement block, but I haven't found a Phenom II waterblock review yet.

[jpm804]

Is it just me or is it unbelievable that the Enzotech SCW-REV.A CPU Waterblock does so well and is only $35 @ newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835708019

I'm looking for something to replace my stock original D-Tek Fuzion on my Phenom II 945. My temps @ 1.50vcore 3.82ghz are low 40s idle... unless I crank my A/C. I'm not happy with these temps. I sit at around 40C idle maybe a bit less when AC is running.

I'm looking to spend ~$50 for a nice replacement block, but I haven't found a Phenom II waterblock review yet.

Have you considered the HK 3.0 LC for AM3 ($49) .. I have one and it performed pretty well on my CPU only loop.

[g0dM@n]

Have you considered the HK 3.0 LC for AM3 ($49) .. I have one and it performed pretty well on my CPU only loop.

I see it as $85...
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/heatkilleram21.html

Anywhere I can get it for $50ish?

[jpm804]

I see it as $85...
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/heatkilleram21.html

Anywhere I can get it for $50ish?

Thats for the CU version... I got the LC version which doesnt have the full Copper top which is the reason for the lower price.

Link

[woffen]

The LC has a different inside layout than the Copper version and the LT which makes it lesser in cooling performance. Is has a better flow than the LT and Cu versions though.

[g0dM@n]

Since I'm trying to keep costs low, here are the blocks that fit the budget that I'm trying to decide the BEST for my Phenom II 945:

• HEATKILLER $50 + shiping @ Performance-PCs link
• Swiftech Apogee GTZ $42.00 + shipping @ Xoxide link
• Enzotech SCW-REV.A Sapphire $34.99 + shipping @ NewEgg link
• D-TEK FuZion v2 Extreme $55.95 + shipping @ Sidewindercomputeres link (though this isn't for AM3 and I might have to spend more on mounting hardware)
• EK-Supreme LT - Acetal+Nickel $49.95 + shipping @ Sidewindercomputers link (this also isn't for AM2/AM3 and I'll need that hardware)

[Boogerlad]

enzotech because it's cheap and most freeflowing. Also, it's a pretty good performer thermally. Just wish it was available in canada.

[g0dM@n]

enzotech because it's cheap and most freeflowing. Also, it's a pretty good performer thermally. Just wish it was available in canada.

2 for 3 on the Enzo... still debating, but I guess I'm leaning towards that? The question now is IS IT ENOUGH BETTER THAN THE D-TEK V1?