ATI’s Dual-Chip Hemlock Due Late in Q4'09+ Possible Prices

[ajaidev]

".....ucts:

* Hemlock - dual-chip flagship graphics solutions powered by two RV870 chips (originally known as R800);
* Cypress – single-chip high-performance graphics solution based on RV870 chip that will replace ATI Radeon HD 4890;
* Juniper – single chip performance graphics solution that will replace the remaining Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 graphics boards. It is highly likely that this one is based on the RV870 as well;
* Redwood – single chip mainstream graphics solution(s) based on RV830 chip that will replace both RV730 and RV740-based solutions;
* Cedar – single chip entry-level graphics solution(s) based on RV810 chip;

Starting from the DirectX 11 family, ATI started to use code-names inst...."


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*NEW*

"....The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket....."

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This is sad, i was hoping that Hemlock will be a x3 so that 5870 x2 will be available at a lower price. Oh well it seems i have to wait till Q4, well this need till jan 09 for prices to stabilize a bit and thats when AMD is launching their new mobo's also that means i should wait till mid Jan to put together a new system or i could get 2 5850's and CF then but that means getting a expensive board.

For the price the 5870x2 seem to be the most bang of the buck, well initially tough. 5870x2 costs the same as 2x 5850, so the only real question price wise is should i wait for the GT300 or take the plunge??

[btarunr]

That's "Late in 2009", not "late Q4". Hemlock will be around in November.

[EnJoY]

".....ucts:

* Hemlock - dual-chip flagship graphics solutions powered by two RV870 chips (originally known as R800);
* Cypress – single-chip high-performance graphics solution based on RV870 chip that will replace ATI Radeon HD 4890;
* Juniper – single chip performance graphics solution that will replace the remaining Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 graphics boards. It is highly likely that this one is based on the RV870 as well;
* Redwood – single chip mainstream graphics solution(s) based on RV830 chip that will replace both RV730 and RV740-based solutions;
* Cedar – single chip entry-level graphics solution(s) based on RV810 chip;

Starting from the DirectX 11 family, ATI started to use code-names inst...."


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This is sad, i was hoping that Hemlock will be a x3 so that 5870 x2 will be available at a lower price. Oh well it seems i have to wait till Q4, well this need till jan 09 for prices to stabilize a bit and thats when AMD is launching their new mobo's also that means i should wait till mid Jan to put together a new system or i could get 2 5850's and CF then but that means getting a expensive board.

Are you serious? You're disappointed because you believed the top enthusiast card of this generation was going to contain three GPU's on a single PCB as opposed to 'just' two? What were you smoking?

[labs23]

That's "Late in 2009", not "late Q4". Hemlock will be around in November.

Those are relative dates.
Its nicely positioned for the X2 to arrive at that time-frame, just before the holidays.

[btarunr]

Those are relative dates.
Its nicely positioned for the X2 to arrive at that time-frame, just before the holidays.

I know. A quick glance of the headline makes one read it as "late in Q4 2009" (end of it). Another glance would show that the "late" is in context of the year, not quarter.

[Chickenfeed]

I'm hoping that the 5870 X2 is actually 2 5870s this time and not 2 of a better card ( eg it 512MB vs 1GB ; this probably annoyed people who bought 2 4870 512s ) I'm more inclined to use 1 5870 pending performance, power usage and noise and possibly 2 rather than going for a 5870x2. I'd sooner have to get rid of 1 or 2 cheaper cards than a more expensive, niche card. Part of this is due to my less than acceptable experience with my X2 but that is another story. The biggest advantage I can see with the X2 is only needing 2 slots and potential cheaper waterblock cost.

Anyways I want to wait for GT300 before making any big decision, 1 5870 should be more than adequate until that time and if anything there is the benefit of later price reductions for a second card.

The X2 will likely hit shelves mid November as has been mentioned in various articles.

[Manicdan]

i think a duel card setup with 2 waterblocks will look nicer than an x2 with a single water block.

it may be worth the extra money and (possibly) loss in performance, just for looks. but thats 100% opinion

[Heinz68]

Are you serious? You're disappointed because you believed the top enthusiast card of this generation was going to contain three GPU's on a single PCB as opposed to 'just' two? What were you smoking?

That's what happen when smoking cheap stuff. The stuff I smoked did show 4 GPU SMP with shared memory.

[K404]

The stuff I smoked did show 4 GPU SMP with shared memory.

Is your dealer sponsoring you in exchange for positive exposure?

[Chumbucket843]

^^ coming from a guy advertising brand names in his sig.

[K404]

I have reasonable expectations though

[initialised]

I for one thoroughly approve of naming a top end card after a poison. Maybe the RV810 variant should be called "nettles"

Looking forward to a double dose around Christmas time!

[jaredpace]

cant wait to see the first gt300 vs. r800 review.

hope we get some specifications on sept. 10, rather than just another blah dx11 showcase.

[saaya]

The stuff I smoked did show 4 GPU SMP with shared memory.

wha? 0_o and whos selling you that and claiming its good stuff? let me guess, atiforum.de?

rv790 will be 40nm and come on a dual gpu card called the 4995X2:
http://news.ati-forum.de/index.php/n...it-rv790-kommt

* Hemlock - dual-chip flagship graphics solutions powered by two RV870 chips (originally known as R800);
* Cypress – single-chip high-performance graphics solution based on RV870 chip that will replace ATI Radeon HD 4890;
* Juniper – single chip performance graphics solution that will replace the remaining Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 graphics boards. It is highly likely that this one is based on the RV870 as well;
* Redwood – single chip mainstream graphics solution(s) based on RV830 chip that will replace both RV730 and RV740-based solutions;
* Cedar – single chip entry-level graphics solution(s) based on RV810 chip;

thats really odd... i thought cypress is a dual juniper and hemlock is an entry level part? i think xbitlabs got confused...

trinity ?
cypress R800 aka RV870x2
juniper RV870
redwood RV830
cedar RV830/RV810
hemlock RV830/RV810

[[XC] gomeler]

So rumor has it then that there will be no dual RV870 part at launch then? Time to find a second PSU in preparation for quad-CFX again

[LordEC911]

thats really odd... i thought cypress is a dual juniper and hemlock is an entry level part? i think xbitlabs got confused...

trinity ?
cypress R800 aka RV870x2
juniper RV870
redwood RV830
cedar RV830/RV810
hemlock RV830/RV810

You are massively confused with your codenames...
Xbitlab's is closer than yours but they got the lowend mixed up.

[ajaidev]

Are you serious? You're disappointed because you believed the top enthusiast card of this generation was going to contain three GPU's on a single PCB as opposed to 'just' two? What were you smoking?

Well because 58xx x2 is suppose to fight the GT300, but that leave the GT300 x2 in a different level all together. The x3 could give at least some company to the GT300 x2. This would off course mean that x2 would be cheaper than the x3 which be priced below the GT300 X2 and above GT300, the x2 would be priced around the GT300 "even if it is better" because the x3 would be high end.

Essentially price-wise GT300 X2>58xx x3>GT300/58xx x2>58xx

[Chrono Detector]

Sounds nice, I think 2 cores on a single card is enough. Something more than that will produce more heat = more power usage = not good.

We need specs and benchmarks.

[Helloworld_98]

Well because 58xx x2 is suppose to fight the GT300, but that leave the GT300 x2 in a different level all together. The x3 could give at least some company to the GT300 x2. This would off course mean that x2 would be cheaper than the x3 which be priced below the GT300 X2 and above GT300, the x2 would be priced around the GT300 "even if it is better" because the x3 would be high end.

Essentially price-wise GT300 X2>58xx x3>GT300/58xx x2>58xx

I didn't really understand that, but if the GT300 is slightly better than the GTX 295 like rumoured, and if it's priced at >$500 like rumoured, the 5850 @$249 will probably take the crown Price/Performance wise.

[Jamesrt2004]

Well because 58xx x2 is suppose to fight the GT300, but that leave the GT300 x2 in a different level all together. The x3 could give at least some company to the GT300 x2. This would off course mean that x2 would be cheaper than the x3 which be priced below the GT300 X2 and above GT300, the x2 would be priced around the GT300 "even if it is better" because the x3 would be high end.

Essentially price-wise GT300 X2>58xx x3>GT300/58xx x2>58xx

but the price will be GT300 x2 (by a huge amount)>GT300/58xx X2>58xx

it will be like last time...

[BenchZowner]

I didn't really understand that, but if the GT300 is slightly better than the GTX 295 like rumoured, and if it's priced at >$500 like rumoured, the 5850 @$249 will probably take the crown Price/Performance wise.

It's always good to read the hear say about rumors.
nVIDIA's part is always rumored to be a bit better than their last part, and AMD's always way faster than their last part

[SimBy]

It's always good to read the hear say about rumors.
nVIDIA's part is always rumored to be a bit better than their last part, and AMD's always way faster than their last part

Really? Most rumors I heard are saying 5870=4870 X2 maybe slightly faster.
And nVs GT300 or whatever it is, comes slightly faster than GTX295.

So how exactly is that slightly better for nV and WAY faster for AMD?

To me it sounds like they will both double the performance of the fastest single GPU from previous gen.

But this is all rumors and guessing of course.

[ajaidev]

New alleged prices of the cards added in first post.

[labs23]

Just over a week and we should see justice on all this rumors, at least ATI's.

[azza21]

I very much doubt there will be a x3 gpu anytime soon. Remember only 6 moinths ago microsoft made it publicly known that multiple chipped gpus are not the way to be going as they make there operating systems become less stable/reliable or something along them lines. They recommend people only use single gpu solutions and that manufacturers should concentrate on making them faster.

There is a thread about it on this forum somewhere, now the question I got is, if the top dog is saying such things why would ati/nvidia want to ignore the big daddy and go for more and more gpus on a pcb...it just bring more issue's.
Infact i garrantee you guys there will be NO top end, ati/nvidia card with x3 gpus or more, out before Q3 2010, some of you lot get far to carried away, the sites don't help as 80% are full of bull****.