Hd5870 - $299

[Calmatory]

Keeping in mind that many developers are too lazy to program efficiently, yes, he will.

It's not called laziness. It's called very strict deadlines. You have to get the thing running, then optimize it IF you have time (Which you don't have.).


Btw, Who said anything about 300 k cards at launch?

[Farinorco]

It's been happening for years now, the hardware is so far ahead of software development, even more so since more studios go for consoles hence the hardware envelope isn't pushed as far.

I bet you a buck that the GT300/5870 will play games on (very) high details for 2,5 to 3 years to come as well. No doubt. Crysis is the sole game that can still break hardware into a sweat, but with Yerli's prediction that till 2012 we won't see any major improvements in graphics, I'm certain that this gen will last long as well.

Still rocking my 8800GTX. Works very well still.

It all depends on when next gen consoles are released. The problem here is that PC hardware is so far ahead of console hardware, that multiplatform games have to be developed to a target hw much less capable than it could if they were PC only (and Crysis is PC only...). Even if PC games (or versions) are usually played at higher resolutions, it's a long time now since PC GPUs can handle console games at Full HD.

As it's nowadays, only games that are really profitable to develope for PC only are multiplayer games (very problematic to hack and pirate), and those tend to target very low hardware requirements because its usefulness (and therefore value) grows exponentially with number of users. So probably the next jump in hw utilization will be when the next gen consoles come to the market.

It's not called laziness. It's called very strict deadlines. You have to get the thing running, then optimize it IF you have time (Which you don't have.).


Btw, Who said anything about 300 k cards at launch?

+1. Like if those poor game programers had time to be lazy...

True, but the GT200 generation was out since the same time the RV770 came out. The GT300 will be here about 2-3 months after the RV870.

ATI does not seem to hint anything that says the 5870 will be THAT MUCH better than the 4890. But then again, I hope ATI is still understating themselves, like when they said that the 4870 was only 50% faster than the 3870, when it's actually closer to 100% faster.

Well, the most reliable piece of info about the new 5800 performance that we have right now is they're going to be "more than 2 TFLOPS" (applied to both HD5850 and HD5870, so supposedly both are going to be 2+ TFLOPS). Given that last generation was the 1 TFLOP gen (to be exact, 1 TFLOP HD4850, 1.2 TFLOPS HD4870, and 1.36 TFLOPS HD4890), that should give a pretty good idea of... theoretical compute/shader power (at least +100% against HD4850, at least ~50% against HD4890, for the HD5850, more for the HD5870). Actual real world performance remains to be seen, though...

[eleeter]

ATI does not seem to hint anything that says the 5870 will be THAT MUCH better than the 4890.

To my knowledge, AMD has said exactly zero about the performance of their 5xxx series stuff.

[Manicdan]

To my knowledge, AMD has said exactly zero about the performance of their 5xxx series stuff.

that might be a bad thing. any crappy marketing department would still throw things like "incredible", "devastating", "revolutionary" even if its not "100% better than the previous"

[Lightman]

To my knowledge, AMD has said exactly zero about the performance of their 5xxx series stuff.

Only if zero = 2TFlop+ for Cypress, 1GB GDDR5, PCIe 2.0.

These are official information sent to partners so they know what to put on box designs.

It doesn't tell much about performance other than it will be faster than previous gen

[RaZz!]

that might be a bad thing. any crappy marketing department would still throw things like "incredible", "devastating", "revolutionary" even if its not "100% better than the previous"

maybe it's their plan to do exactly that and leave us mouth opened after they released it

[LordEC911]

Btw, Who said anything about 300 k cards at launch?

Came from a decent source, though lots of different interpretations.
Re-reading it now it doesn't say anything about having them ready at launch, just that the order is placed.

Original/best speculation is 300k Cypress and 100k Hemlock, which sounds like a lot.

[Dainas]

maybe it's their plan to do exactly that and leave us mouth opened after they released it

Well they certainly havent said anything about "HD5870 will leave your mouth open in awe!!!" so it certainly is within the realm of possibilities. However both ATI and Nvidias launches reek of the last one so I do not expect anything awe inspiring, just a good performance jump.

[orangekiwii]

IDK Dainas,

I'm feeling like both incoming generations are going to be g80s

[eleeter]

that might be a bad thing. any crappy marketing department would still throw things like "incredible", "devastating", "revolutionary" even if its not "100% better than the previous"

Which just proves once and for all that AMD has no marketing department.

[amdinside]

delete it...

[tajoh111]

Came from a decent source, though lots of different interpretations.
Re-reading it now it doesn't say anything about having them ready at launch, just that the order is placed.

Original/best speculation is 300k Cypress and 100k Hemlock, which sounds like a lot.

I smell bull. 300k is a ridiculous amount of cards to have available at launch, especially that high end. Its really too much. Thats how much consoles alot of companies have available at launch and they sell way better than any high end videocard and produced much further ahead of time. Even worse is the notion of 100,000 hemlock cards. Thats 100k of the super high end. Thats crazy unbelievable, as there is no way AMD could move that many as it is still a 600 dollar card.

Not only that 40nm is still not the greatest manufacturing process. If it was, we would have seen alot more 4770s, which could of sold way more if they were more readily available.

Without a source it even smells worse, especially coming from a known ATI fan.

Why makes so many cards when no matter how good the reviews are, alot of people are going to stay with the 4870 or whatever card they have. If you look at this even further, that would mean their has to be atleast 1million r8xx cards because if they have 400k of the high end, there has to be atleast a million more for the mainstream parts.

[trinibwoy]

IDK Dainas,

I'm feeling like both incoming generations are going to be g80s

You can't have a G80 without an R600 People don't care if both are fast, they'll still focus on who's faster.

[LordEC911]

I smell bull. 300k is a ridiculous amount of cards to have available at launch, especially that high end. Its really too much. Thats how much consoles alot of companies have available at launch and they sell way better than any high end videocard and produced much further ahead of time. Even worse is the notion of 100,000 hemlock cards. Thats 100k of the super high end. Thats crazy unbelievable, as there is no way AMD could move that many as it is still a 600 dollar card.

Not only that 40nm is still not the greatest manufacturing process. If it was, we would have seen alot more 4770s, which could of sold way more if they were more readily available.

Without a source it even smells worse, especially coming from a known ATI fan.

Why makes so many cards when no matter how good the reviews are, alot of people are going to stay with the 4870 or whatever card they have. If you look at this even further, that would mean their has to be atleast 1million r8xx cards because if they have 400k of the high end, there has to be atleast a million more for the mainstream parts.

Where did I say there was no source...
Look around a little and you will find it.

I said there were different interpretations.
I agree that the original intrepretation seems off.

Seeing how the first batch of RV740 was supposedly in the ~30-40k range and how quick they ran out, I don't think those numbers are completely BS.

Edit- Also yields on some Evergreen GPUs are better than 60%, RV740 was around 20-25%.
Reedit- +50million Hollywood GPUs shipped in less than 3 years.

[Etihtsarom]

You can't have a G80 without an R600 People don't care if both are fast, they'll still focus on who's faster.

Thats not what happened last round. There wasn't much more focus on the faster single gpu card.

[Bo_Fox]

Well, the most reliable piece of info about the new 5800 performance that we have right now is they're going to be "more than 2 TFLOPS" (applied to both HD5850 and HD5870, so supposedly both are going to be 2+ TFLOPS). Given that last generation was the 1 TFLOP gen (to be exact, 1 TFLOP HD4850, 1.2 TFLOPS HD4870, and 1.36 TFLOPS HD4890), that should give a pretty good idea of... theoretical compute/shader power (at least +100% against HD4850, at least ~50% against HD4890, for the HD5850, more for the HD5870). Actual real world performance remains to be seen, though...

Awesome, then I'm so totally looking forward to it!! That would almost 100% accurately translate to a 100% performance increase for me! As the 4870 has nearly double the trannies of a 3870, and a 100% perf. increase, it should be pretty much the same, but since a lot of the trannies will go for the increase in ROP's (from 16 to 32, apparently), it might just be a 90% increase instead of 100% increase..

[tajoh111]

Where did I say there was no source...
Look around a little and you will find it.

I said there were different interpretations.
I agree that the original intrepretation seems off.

Seeing how the first batch of RV740 was supposedly in the ~30-40k range and how quick they ran out, I don't think those numbers are completely BS.

Edit- Also yields on some Evergreen GPUs are better than 60%, RV740 was around 20-25%.
Reedit- +50million Hollywood GPUs shipped in less than 3 years.

Sure 50 million hollywould units have shipped, but that was on mature process and on a chip they already had great yeilds on since its based on the flipper already found in the gamecube but 2x the performance. This thing is brand spanking new.

Additionally and most importantly, there is room for 50 million chips because it is a gaming console and the demand is there, and customers are already lined up.

I doubt AMD needs to have 300k of its highend at launch, when there is no buzz or demand for that number. The 4770 was a mainstream, low priced part so the demand was there since this is likely the highest volume market, and even here they only made 40k. I doubt they need 300k radeon 5870 because if they had that many, they would have been making these cards for months, and should have released it late july or august. They would have made a killing catching the summer market and having no competion for the rest of the year. Now they are releasing when school just starting. Its not the best time.

I doubt AMD going to be able to generate the buzz to those who might listen since their marketing department is garbage, and they only have a month before the card is released.

[Hell Hound]

Get ready for the flood.

[LordEC911]

Sure 50 million hollywould units have shipped, but that was on mature process and on a chip they already had great yeilds on since its based on the flipper already found in the gamecube but 2x the performance. This thing is brand spanking new.

Additionally and most importantly, there is room for 50 million chips because it is a gaming console and the demand is there, and customers are already lined up.

I doubt AMD needs to have 300k of its highend at launch, when there is no buzz or demand for that number. The 4770 was a mainstream, low priced part so the demand was there since this is likely the highest volume market, and even here they only made 40k. I doubt they need 300k radeon 5870 because if they had that many, they would have been making these cards for months, and should have released it late july or august. They would have made a killing catching the summer market and having no competion for the rest of the year. Now they are releasing when school just starting. Its not the best time.

I doubt AMD going to be able to generate the buzz to those who might listen since their marketing department is garbage, and they only have a month before the card is released.

Again, I corrected myself.
The 300k and 100k units that were ordered didn't say anything about being ready for launch.
That could be the number ordered for the next 6 months, year, life of the card, we don't know.

[bill_d]

hmm

Jon Peddie Research (JPR) covering the state of graphics add-in board market reveals that Q2 2009 has been a better quarter than Q1, but still worse compared to last year. This quarter, around 16.81 million units were shipped

http://www.techpowerup.com/102477/Gr...n_Q2_2009.html

with amd's 35% of 16.81 million units for a quarter

and i think that 300k was first order of all new cards but the x2

[LordEC911]

hmm



http://www.techpowerup.com/102477/Gr...n_Q2_2009.html

with amd's 35% of 16.81 million units for a quarter

and i think that 300k was first order of all new cards but the x2

Supposedly just Cypress cards.
The original source made a nice riddle out of it.

[bill_d]

Supposedly just Cypress cards.
The original source made a nice riddle out of it.

that still 5850's and 5870's in some mix 300k maybe low
they'll sell a lot more than normal the first quarter after launch

[eleeter]

I can't believe there have been almost no leaks as far as specs/performance goes. Besides wild speculation, things are eerily silent.

[zerazax]

The 48xx launch was like this too... basically people were still believing 480SP instead of 800SP for quite some time and nothing was confirmed until retailers started selling cards and thus we had leaks and it became obvious that it was 800SP's

[Helloworld_98]

^ so we could even get 2000SP's+?