Hd5870 - $299

[Smartidiot89]

80-100% increase, otherwise a failure? Please. We don't usually see that much on each new generation from either ATI or nvidia

I dare say 80-100% increase when it comes to the specifications. The rest is up to the driverteam to fix.

40nm is a perfect opportunity to launch this new series, with excellent transistor density scaling and increase of shader units We've heard of Cypress up to 350mm2 so far.

I am just waiting for ATI to blow Nvidia out of the water this time.

[Chad Boga]

80-100% increase, otherwise a failure? Please. We don't usually see that much on each new generation from either ATI or nvidia

ATI 3870 --> 4870
Nvidia 7800 --> 8800

[Glow9]

Are there any DX11 games set to come out around this time, I hope it wont be like a DX11 cards then DX 11.something that really take advantage and these don't do much.
I'm waiting for DX11 cause DX10 kinda sucked and I refuse to upgrade till they do since this stupid card cost me $300

[bill_d]

Are there any DX11 games set to come out around this time, I hope it wont be like a DX11 cards then DX 11.something that really take advantage and these don't do much.
I'm waiting for DX11 cause DX10 kinda sucked and I refuse to upgrade till they do since this stupid card cost me $300

i think the first is dirt 2 in dec.

[Nicksterr]

want to pick one of these up to go with cod:mwf2!

[Sparky]

ATI 3870 --> 4870
Nvidia 7800 --> 8800

Note I said usually. The 8800 was epic. So was the 4870. Not the norm

[Chad Boga]

Note I said usually. The 8800 was epic. So was the 4870. Not the norm

The 5870 will have twice the ram of the original 4870, along with other architectural improvements, if it isn't 80%+ faster than the 4870(at say 1900x1200, 4xAA), then I would regard that as a failure.

I also expect the GT300 to be 80 to 100% faster than the GT200.

[Sparky]

Personally, I'm hoping it is better enough to be a good hit for them, but not so much better that it makes me want to upgrade from my 1st gen 4870. So maybe my POV is a bit selfish

[Hell Hound]

The 5870 will have twice the ram of the original 4870, along with other architectural improvements, if it isn't 80%+ faster than the 4870(at say 1900x1200, 4xAA), then I would regard that as a failure.

I also expect the GT300 to be 80 to 100% faster than the GT200.

+1

[Mr.BSEL]

Well the increase on paper doesn't translate to the same increase in the real world. The 4870 had 2.5 times the shaders of a 3870 which resulted 2 times the performance. Doing the math, a 5870 would have twice the shaders on papers but would only result in 1.6 times the performance over a 4870.

[jaredpace]

There's supposedly an HD5870 2GB in the works too.

[Kylzer]

Damn i'm so hyper about this i hope someone leaks some benchs.

[freeloader]

The 5870 will have twice the ram of the original 4870, along with other architectural improvements, if it isn't 80%+ faster than the 4870(at say 1900x1200, 4xAA), then I would regard that as a failure.

I also expect the GT300 to be 80 to 100% faster than the GT200.

It'll be able to run every damn current game at max settings in the 1900 x whatever, probably at 60fps or more and that's a failure? Jesus man, lower your expectations.

[Etihtsarom]

This is a proper new generation architecture, if ATI can't be 80 to 100% faster than a 4870, then they have failed.


What makes you say that?

ATI must be expecting Nvidia to bounce back after a less than stellar GT200 series, they would be fools to think they can just coast.

I think that's just it right here. ATI must be anticipating the GT300 to come out with guns drawn. If I were ATI and have that kind of anticipation, $300 for the 5870 performing @ 4870x2 level a couple months before GT300 would put Just the right pressure on Nvidia

[kiddyl]

It's time for leaked benches with such a price point to stir up the excitement even more.

[trinibwoy]

Guess you're not a big fan of foreplay huh?

[labs23]

Good to see a low price, I'm highly skeptical for ATI not jacking up the prices. But pricing higher is not the only way to make profit. Good.
Their low pricing and the time advantage should be enough, specially for early adapters. Clever way to start and wait for the competition(GT300).


From a customer's standpoint.
Guess I'll just have to pick a GTX275 next month. There's no need for me to be an early adapter.
I'll just grab a Hemlock or a GT300(whatevers fast for the money) when there are 2 choices available.
So no DX11 card for me this year. Grid2 is just 1 title(I can pass for months).

[spursindonesia]

Well the increase on paper doesn't translate to the same increase in the real world. The 4870 had 2.5 times the shaders of a 3870 which resulted 2 times the performance. Doing the math, a 5870 would have twice the shaders on papers but would only result in 1.6 times the performance over a 4870.

Umm, the flops performance is a function of the shader amount and its clockspeed. Indeed HD 4870 has 2.5 times the shaders of HD 3870, but its clockspeed is actually a bit lower (750 MHz vs 775 MHz). If this Cypress XT (HD 5870) gets a healthy boost in clockspeed as the node shrink warranted, the flops performance can get bigger than the added amount of shaders in its chip suggested.

[gumballguy]

Was it ever substantiated that the 5000 series is truly a brand new architecture (and not a 4000 series with relatively fewer changes, ie dx11 reworking and a smaller node)? 'Brand new' is a subjective term, but you know what I mean.

I'm still of the mindset that it could be a very short cycle time to the 6000 series... and that the 6000's were what we were expecting performance wise.

At the end of the day, I wont jump straight on it. Truth be told I'll wait for sata3/usb3/cheaper ssds... because I have to use the same system for things other than games. I fear more that the first batch of motherboards with these features will have such things connected poorly such that they operate much slower than they should more than I worry about ATI's next gen.

Whatever video card is fastest when a motherboard with those features comes out, is what I will get.

On a side note.. I would have assumed in X2 setups (never owned one) that one card can practically shut off completely when not gaming. Given all the whinging about multi card setups and drivers, why not get a mobo with 2x16 slots and just crossfire? That way you can always sell the second vid card if it doesnt work out for you. Less board options / less power consumption at load?

[Chad Boga]

It'll be able to run every damn current game at max settings in the 1900 x whatever, probably at 60fps or more and that's a failure?

Crysis?

What's more, if you are buying a high end card, you also want it to be able to max out games that aren't out yet, but will come out within 6 or so months of the card's release.

Jesus man, lower your expectations.

I'm being realistic.

I expect ATI and Nvidia to make this level of improvement, especially if as stated by jaredpace, there is a 2gig version of the 5870.

I would expect this new gen architecture to make better use of 2gig than the 4870 architecture was capable of doing.

[Chad Boga]

I'm still of the mindset that it could be a very short cycle time to the 6000 series... and that the 6000's were what we were expecting performance wise.

What has led you to this belief?

Has there been any articles or opinion pieces written anywhere on the net which suggests this is at all likely?

[Hell Hound]

Better scaling also.

[gumballguy]

What has led you to this belief?

Has there been any articles or opinion pieces written anywhere on the net which suggests this is at all likely?

Hearsay. Backed up by as much fact as there is to say the 5000's are true next gen. Then again I probably missed some important leak or something lol.

Personally it wouldn't surprise me if it took most of their engineering time just coming to grips with 40nm. And that the benefits were just from their ability to increase the shader count. Then they added the bare minimum that they had to (dx11).

I'm not saying I predict anything. I'm saying it wouldn't surprise me.

I think we'll know soon enough.
If we get a doubling of performance, they've given it their everything.
If it's less than expected performance... theyre holding back

Whether holding back would let them hurt nvidia with a second wave or just tick off their customers more, I've no idea. Marketing may be the decider of that (average joe "dx11 ooh" vs xtremesystems kinda ppl focusing on real numbers)

[Gator!]

Good to see a low price, I'm highly skeptical for ATI not jacking up the prices. But pricing higher is not the only way to make profit. Good.
Their low pricing and the time advantage should be enough, specially for early adapters. Clever way to start and wait for the competition(GT300).


From a customer's standpoint.
Guess I'll just have to pick a GTX275 next month. There's no need for me to be an early adapter.
I'll just grab a Hemlock or a GT300(whatevers fast for the money) when there are 2 choices available.
So no DX11 card for me this year. Grid2 is just 1 title(I can pass for months).

when has ati recently ever jacked the prices up, do you not remember the hd4850 and 4870 they were both priced so aggressively, and they preformed so damn well causing nvidia to slash there prices....i wouldn't expect anything less....it fits perfectly into what they priced there 4800 series last year...and it seems like the performance jump will be the same or a little higher...so i think we are all in for a treat

[jaredpace]

Backed up by as much fact as there is to say the 5000's are true next gen.

I'm looking forward to Anand's review for a detailed explanation of the architecture & die. From what I've been reading it sounds like two 40nm rv770's slapped together without crossfire drawbacks + dx11 + shared MC & rops + extras. Don't know if that's true next gen, but Anand will give a good explanation of it!