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[Alien Grey]

Could be, could be but I think that my Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W can handle that stress though and I still believe that the data throughput that Crysis produce is more then Prime95 or LinX can produce and therefore I have to increase the volt.

Also when I benchmark Crysis my water temp (only CPU and MCH under water, GFX stock air) increases by 2-3C if I compare it with LinX (max problem size, max memory use) even though the CPU temp is lower with Crysis then with LinX.

Go figure

You are right. Crysis is probably producing more data throughput.

Are you using your E8600 CPU? That could make sense.

If you use your Q9650 the data throughput is going to be twice that high for the same CPU speed.

[Ghostleader]

You are right. Crysis is probably producing more data throughput.

Are you using your E8600 CPU? That could make sense.

If you use your Q9650 the data throughput is going to be twice that high for the same CPU speed.

It´s with my E8600.

Gonna test later with my Q9650, 4x2 Blades and those Sapphire Toxic HD 4890 in Crossfire, it gonna be a tough test for the RF, looking forward to it.


Right know I have done some test with the following gear:

ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS 0902 / E8600 / 4x2 OCZ Blade PC-9600 / Sapphire HD 4870x2 with Windows 7 RC 64bit.

I can´t make 4x2 of those Blades stable @ 1200MHz with 1,80, they need ~1,85 (1,84 set in bios), if I run 2x2 there´s no problem with 1,80 though.

Couldn´t go lower then 1,55v through the MCH to have it stable.


Here´s some screenies with my E8600@500 4,25GHz and 4x2 OCZ Blade PC-9600@1200 555 15 tRD7 Strong.

~5 hrs P95 blend (4x1600mb)
~5 hrs LinX (25 loop, max problem size and max memory use)
~5 hrs HCI Design Memtest (~500% with 8x900mb)
~3,5 hrs Crysis Benchmark Tool Assualt Harbor 90 loop

Stable enough for my.





Oh yes, she made it through all 25

[kuebk]

Ghostleader how much V does your e8600 require for stable 4250mhz?

Has anyone tried to cool mch/ich with hr-05? Does it cool much?

[Alien Grey]

@Ghostleader

It's completely normal that you have to raise the memory voltage a bit when using 4 X 2 Giga.

It's amazing that you can keep it stable at FSB 500MHz and DDR 1200MHz with 8 Giga, Ai ClockTwister Strong and tRD 7.

I'm curious if you can do that with your Q9650 too.

[Alien Grey]

Ghostleader how much V does your e8600 require for stable 4250mhz?

Has anyone tried to cool mch/ich with hr-05? Does it cool much?

My SB is cooled with a HR-05 IFX and a 80 mm fan. I've never seen the temperature over 40° Celsius with the fan running at low speed.

My room temperature is around 25° Celsius these days.

[Ghostleader]

Ghostleader how much V does your e8600 require for stable 4250mhz?

Has anyone tried to cool mch/ich with hr-05? Does it cool much?

~1,33 under load to be stable with 4x2Gb ram in LinX, little less with 2x2Gb (less problem size -> less stress), ~0,10 less with P95 small FFT.

@Ghostleader

1: It's completely normal that you have to raise the memory voltage a bit when using 4 X 2 Giga.

2: It's amazing that you can keep it stable at FSB 500MHz and DDR 1200MHz with 8 Giga, Ai ClockTwister Strong and tRD 7.

3: I'm curious if you can do that with your Q9650 too.

1: Didn´t know that, do you have a short explaination why it need more jucie?

2: Thank you, I figure that the RF is pretty good with a dual, that´s all.

3: Me to but I don´t think it´s possible to do the same with my Q9650 within reasonable volt settings, I´ll be happy if I can get it stable with bus @ 450 and ram @ 1200C5 tRD6 strong within reasonable volt settings.

[kuebk]

My SB is cooled with a HR-05 IFX and a 80 mm fan. I've never seen the temperature over 40° Celsius with the fan running at low speed.

My room temperature is around 25° Celsius these days.

I'm most interested with mch + hr-05 cooling results.

[Alien Grey]

~1,33 under load to be stable with 4x2Gb ram in LinX, little less with 2x2Gb (less problem size -> less stress), ~0,10 less with P95 small FFT.






1: Didn´t know that, do you have a short explaination why it need more jucie?

2: Thank you, I figure that the RF is pretty good with a dual, that´s all.

3: Me to but I don´t think it´s possible to do the same with my Q9650 within reasonable volt settings, I´ll be happy if I can get it stable with bus @ 450 and ram @ 1200C5 tRD6 strong within reasonable volt settings.

I don't know why you need more DRAM Voltage with 4 X 2 Giga. It's just something that I've found in my early days with this board.

I could lower the voltage with 0.02V if I only used one stick of memory.
With every stick I added more I needed 0.02V higher voltage.

Some guys at the ASUS Rampage Formula forum that are using 4 X 2 Giga found that too.

A Q9650@4.05GHz and 4 X 2 Giga DDR2 1200MHz with tRD 6 would still be great. It doesn't matter if it isn't possible with Ai ClockTwister Strong.

The goal should be to have at least 9600Mb/s Read Speed. That would be awesome.

[Alien Grey]

I'm most interested with mch + hr-05 cooling results.

Some guy on a dutch forum says that the difference is 10° Celsius lower than the stock heatsink on the rampage Formula. I don't know if he was using a fan.

[Armored_Kech1]

Breaking news or so it seems. Somebody got SLI working on his maximus formula. Read about it here.

[Ghostleader]

Awesome, can´t with to try it.

Good find and thanks for sharing

[kuebk]

I hope that these drivers gonna be released soon.

[Fritz_the_germ]

@Alien-Grey,
what´s about your Q9650? Did get any message from Intel yet?
I wouldn´t buy a i7 too because those chips are not very much better than a good LGA 775 Quad.

@Gostleader,
your system is maximum stable. Good work

[Alien Grey]

@Alien-Grey,
what´s about your Q9650? Did get any message from Intel yet?
I wouldn´t buy a i7 too because those chips are not very much better than a good LGA 775 Quad.

No, I think that everyone is on vacation.

About i7. If your very lucky you'll have a low vid batch that can do 4GHz+ without problems on low CPU Voltage. If your not so lucky you'll have one that needs a lot CPU Voltage to stay stable at 4GHz+ and have trouble to keep that CPU cool.

And than you have my luck and you'll end up with a CPU than can't run at 4GHz+ and have to be satisfied with 3.6GHz+ on high CPU Voltage and wasted all your cash on something that gives you only headaches and sleepless nights.

[traveler]

Will the EK-NB/SB ASUS 1 coolingblock fit on the Rampage Formula SouthBridge? http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/produc...roducts_id=156

EDIT: On closer inspection, it looks like not.





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Asus X48 Rampage Formula / Intel Q9450 2.66 @ 3.2 / 2 x 2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2 8500 /
Asus Radeon HD4870X2 Tri-Fan 2GB graphics card / 24" DeLL Ultrasharp 2408WFP monitor /
Western Digital Raptor X Hard Drive / Two Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5001ABYS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drives /
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 / Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 Speaker System /
Lian Li 343B cube case / PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Crossfire Edition /
IOGEAR GCS1782 GCS1782 Dual-Link DVI KVMP switch with 7.1 audio

[SirDaemon]

Will the EK-NB/SB ASUS 1 coolingblock fit on the Rampage Formula SouthBridge? http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/produc...roducts_id=156

EDIT: On closer inspection, it looks like not.

I believe only EK-NB/SB ASUS 4 is compatible with Rampage Formula SB.

[traveler]

I believe only EK-NB/SB ASUS 4 is compatible with Rampage Formula SB.

Thanks.

Too bad the ASUS 1 isn't. The coolant inflow and outflow openings on the EK-NB/SB ASUS 1 would have lined up perfectly between the fan shrouds of my two Asus 4870X2 Tri-Fan graphics cards in Crossfire. Water cooling the 4870X2 may be the real only solution.to getting a waterblock on the southbridge. Or leave it air cooled.



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Asus X48 Rampage Formula / Intel Q9450 2.66 @ 3.2 / 2 x 2GB OCZ Reaper HPC PC2 8500 /
Asus Radeon HD4870X2 Tri-Fan 2GB graphics card / 24" DeLL Ultrasharp 2408WFP monitor /
Western Digital Raptor X Hard Drive / Two Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5001ABYS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drives /
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1 / Creative Gigaworks S750 7.1 Speaker System /
Lian Li 343B cube case / PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Crossfire Edition /
IOGEAR GCS1782 GCS1782 Dual-Link DVI KVMP switch with 7.1 audio

[leo27]

i've been reading this forum ever since i got my rampage formula, finally i can post after a few registration issues.

my rig is:
Antec P182
asus rampage formula x48 Bios 803
q6600 G0 @ 3.4Ghz
Gskill F2-6400CL4-2GBPI-B @850Mhz
TRUE with 2 noctua P12 Push/Pull

my settings (25 Linx 64-bit stable, Prime95 small and large fft's stable)

*Extreme Tweaker*
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
CPU Ratio Setting [08.0]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [400]
FSB Frequency [425]
PCIE Frequency [100]

DRAM Frequency [DDR2-850MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [2N]
DRAM CMD Skew on Channal A [Greyed Out]
DRAM CMD Skew on Channal B [Greyed Out]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channal A [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channal B [Auto]

DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
1st Information
CAS# Latency [4]
RAS# to CAS# Delay [4]
RAS# PRE Time [3]
RAS# ACT Time [9]
RAS# to RAS# Delay [3]
REF Cycle Time [40]
WRITE Recovery Time [6]
READ to PRE Time [3]
2nd Information
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D) [7]
WRITE to READ Delay (S) [3]
WRITE to READ Delay (D) [4]
READ to READ Delay (S) [4]
READ to READ Delay (D) [5]
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S) [4]
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D) [5]
3rd Information
WRITE to PRE Delay [12]
READ to PRE Delay [3]
PRE to PRE Delay [1]
ALL PRE to ACT Delay [4]
ALL PRE to REF Delay [4]

DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Stronger]
Ai Transaction Booster [08]
Pull-in of CHA PH1 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHA PH2 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHA PH3 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHA PH4 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH1 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH2 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH3 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH4 [Enabled]

CPU Voltage [1.41250v] (1.4V in windows)
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50v]
North Bridge Voltage [1.37v]
DRAM Voltage [1.84v]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.32v]
South Bridge Voltage [1.05v]
SB 1,5V Voltage [1.50v]
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.65x]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67x]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [AUTO]
DRAM Channel A Voltage REF [AUTO]
DRAM Channel B Voltage REF [AUTO]

CPU LED Selection [CPU Voltage]
NB LED Selection [North Bridge Voltage]
SB LED Selection [South Bridge Voltage]
Voltiminder LED [Enabled]

CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spred Spectrum [Disabled]
Cpu Clock Skew [Delay 200ps]
NB Clock Skew [Delay 100ps]

Now i have run into a problem in that i was unable to reduce the memory timings (4-4-4-12 at 1.92V in bios) with a PL7, however if i run PL8 with all phase pull-ins as above then i can achieve the timings and voltage shown in the settings above (4-4-3-9 at 1.84V).

I take it PL8 with all Pull-ins is equivalent to PL7?????

to A-GREY
I've read that you use UT2004 to determine the FSB termination voltage. What settings do you use in UT2004????
and do you run it with Prime95 small fft's or large fft's????
an explanation of the procedure would be appreciated.

Lastly is a CPU GTL of 0.65x recommended for a 65nm processor or is 0.63x advised.

Thanks for your help and keeping up with this thread. It is a invaluable resource for overclocking this board.

[Alien Grey]

i've been reading this forum ever since i got my rampage formula, finally i can post after a few registration issues.

my rig is:
Antec P182
asus rampage formula x48 Bios 803
q6600 G0 @ 3.4Ghz
Gskill F2-6400CL4-2GBPI-B @850Mhz
TRUE with 2 noctua P12 Push/Pull

my settings (25 Linx 64-bit stable, Prime95 small and large fft's stable)

*Extreme Tweaker*
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
CPU Ratio Setting [08.0]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [400]
FSB Frequency [425]
PCIE Frequency [100]

DRAM Frequency [DDR2-850MHz]
DRAM Command Rate [2N]
DRAM CMD Skew on Channal A [Greyed Out]
DRAM CMD Skew on Channal B [Greyed Out]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channal A [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channal B [Auto]

DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
1st Information
CAS# Latency [4]
RAS# to CAS# Delay [4]
RAS# PRE Time [3]
RAS# ACT Time [9]
RAS# to RAS# Delay [3]
REF Cycle Time [40]
WRITE Recovery Time [6]
READ to PRE Time [3]
2nd Information
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D) [7]
WRITE to READ Delay (S) [3]
WRITE to READ Delay (D) [4]
READ to READ Delay (S) [4]
READ to READ Delay (D) [5]
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S) [4]
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D) [5]
3rd Information
WRITE to PRE Delay [12]
READ to PRE Delay [3]
PRE to PRE Delay [1]
ALL PRE to ACT Delay [4]
ALL PRE to REF Delay [4]

DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Stronger]
Ai Transaction Booster [08]
Pull-in of CHA PH1 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHA PH2 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHA PH3 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHA PH4 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH1 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH2 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH3 [Enabled]
Pull-in of CHB PH4 [Enabled]

CPU Voltage [1.41250v] (1.4V in windows)
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50v]
North Bridge Voltage [1.37v]
DRAM Voltage [1.84v]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.32v]
South Bridge Voltage [1.05v]
SB 1,5V Voltage [1.50v]
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.65x]
NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67x]
DRAM Controller Voltage REF [AUTO]
DRAM Channel A Voltage REF [AUTO]
DRAM Channel B Voltage REF [AUTO]

CPU LED Selection [CPU Voltage]
NB LED Selection [North Bridge Voltage]
SB LED Selection [South Bridge Voltage]
Voltiminder LED [Enabled]

CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spred Spectrum [Disabled]
Cpu Clock Skew [Delay 200ps]
NB Clock Skew [Delay 100ps]

Now i have run into a problem in that i was unable to reduce the memory timings (4-4-4-12 at 1.92V in bios) with a PL7, however if i run PL8 with all phase pull-ins as above then i can achieve the timings and voltage shown in the settings above (4-4-3-9 at 1.84V).

I take it PL8 with all Pull-ins is equivalent to PL7?????

to A-GREY
I've read that you use UT2004 to determine the FSB termination voltage. What settings do you use in UT2004????
and do you run it with Prime95 small fft's or large fft's????
an explanation of the procedure would be appreciated.

Lastly is a CPU GTL of 0.65x recommended for a 65nm processor or is 0.63x advised.

Thanks for your help and keeping up with this thread. It is a invaluable resource for overclocking this board.

PL 8 and all Phase Pull-ins enabled should give you the same bandwidth as if you would use PL 7.

I think that if you look at Anandtech's calculation that X is larger than what they are saying that it should be. That is probably the reason why a PL 7 isn't possible.

My settings for UT2004 (64 bit edition) are resolution 1024 x 768 pixels with everything at maximum quality.

Prime95 is running in Blend mode.

According to Anandtech for 65nm CPU's you should use CPU GTL 0.65X. I have no idea if this is better than using CPU GTL 0.63X.

You could try it with CPU GTL 0.63X and run LinX or IBT and see if it stays stable and what the GFlops result is. When it's higher than it's better to use the CPU GTL 0.63X.

[leo27]

thanks for the reply. I'll try out the 0.63x GTL and see if it makes a difference in GFlops, I've already run it at 0.63x before with the same voltages so i know its stable.
Also are you running the demo of UT2004 or the full game?

[Alien Grey]

thanks for the reply. I'll try out the 0.63x GTL and see if it makes a difference in GFlops, I've already run it at 0.63x before with the same voltages so i know its stable.
Also are you running the demo of UT2004 or the full game?

I'm running the full game at 1024 X 768 pixels in a window with 30 bots and unlimited time and kills. All you have to do then is hit spectate.

If you don't have the full game you can always use the demo. The only problem is that you can't change the amount of bots in the demo.

[BlackArchon]

I'm using a Q9550 E0 with my Rampage Formula, BIOS 0902. When I set FSB strap and FSB to 400 MHz, resulting in 3400 MHz for the CPU, I need 1.41 V MCH. Except in the last hot weeks, this setting runs stably, but NB temp was in the high 70s. But when I read your MCH temps, this seems to be quite high.

So maybe I should remove the chipset cooler and check for good contact?

[Ghostleader]

@BlackArchon

Very hot indeed for 1,41 MCHv, replace the TIM between the heatsink and IHS should be good idea to start with and also add a fan or replace the heatsink with some 3rd part cooler.

[mach82]

I'm using a Q9550 E0 with my Rampage Formula, BIOS 0902. When I set FSB strap and FSB to 400 MHz, resulting in 3400 MHz for the CPU, I need 1.41 V MCH. Except in the last hot weeks, this setting runs stably, but NB temp was in the high 70s. But when I read your MCH temps, this seems to be quite high.

So maybe I should remove the chipset cooler and check for good contact?

One more think to consider - FSB 400 MHz is a standard supported FSB frequency for your MB. This means, that for FSB 400 MHz you don't need any voltage increase for MCH! Lower it t the lowest voltage available in bios and then your temps will drop by much.

[Ghostleader]

@mach82

He could probably do that if he for example ran a dual and some 2x1 PC-6400 @ CAS5 with a high tRD but he runs a quad and some 4x1 PC-8000 and probably as low tRD as possible and therefore he need 1,41 as he wrote in the post.