GT300 to launch in Q4 2009

[FischOderAal]

It might be. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like ATI is making many changes in terms of GPGPU and isn't going to catch up much, if at all.

If you ask me we should wait and see what DX11 and OpenCL will bring to the table.

[kromosto]

It might be. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like ATI is making many changes in terms of GPGPU and isn't going to catch up much, if at all.

gpgpu derivatives are new to world and doesnt have much useful applications that are meaningful ( what a sentence ). ati has time to catch up it is not matter think of first x64 cpus most of them sold before seeing a 64 bit os

[LordEC911]

It might be. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like ATI is making many changes in terms of GPGPU and isn't going to catch up much, if at all.

If you ask me we should wait and see what DX11 and OpenCL will bring to the table.

Hmmm... you are making things too easy for me Fisch, you are saying exactly what I say but post it earlier.
OpenCL seems to be AMD/ATi's main focus for GPGPU.

[poke349]

gpgpu derivatives are new to world and doesnt have much useful applications that are meaningful ( what a sentence ). ati has time to catch up it is not matter think of first x64 cpus most of them sold before seeing a 64 bit os

And most multi-core chips were out LONG before any software was ready to take advantage of it... (and most still aren't...)

[Cybercat]

It's not rumours.
And it will be a paper launch of GT300, pretty sure, so worthless tbh. Just for some fans to cheer...

It's not worthless if it convinces some people to wait.

[trinibwoy]

Hmmm... you are making things too easy for me Fisch, you are saying exactly what I say but post it earlier.
OpenCL seems to be AMD/ATi's main focus for GPGPU.

You can't really "focus" on OpenCL though. It's pretty much the exact same programming model as CUDA and CS. So if you're good at one, you're good at all.

[Chumbucket843]

Whoever is writing the code will pick the gpu thas suit their algorthm the best and optimize it. Different programs will run faster on diff gpus.

[poke349]

Whoever is writing the code will pick the gpu thas suit their algorthm the best and optimize it. Different programs will run faster on diff gpus.

Agreed.

I'm want to see a GPU that has decent double-precision floating-point support.

[saaya]

It's not worthless if it convinces some people to wait.

yeah thats what those gt300 rumors are all about, and thats why having even 1 working gt300 prototype will be very very valuable for nvidia, cause as long as they have something, anything, that looks tasty and they can hold in front of their customers or potential customers, at least some people will freak out and wait for it, even if its 6 months away

i remember how some people said they wouldnt upgrade their vga cause they are waiting for larrabee, and that was when it was just anounced

[Cybercat]

yeah thats what those gt300 rumors are all about, and thats why having even 1 working gt300 prototype will be very very valuable for nvidia, cause as long as they have something, anything, that looks tasty and they can hold in front of their customers or potential customers, at least some people will freak out and wait for it, even if its 6 months away

i remember how some people said they wouldnt upgrade their vga cause they are waiting for larrabee, and that was when it was just anounced

Thing is, if we're talking about what NVIDIA will do when the RV870 launches, they don't even have to ask people to wait 6 months or even close to that. Just a few months later (no more than four I'd say) they'll have their cards out in quantity. This is a very different situation from the past where NVIDIA lead the way, but by no means is this NVIDIA's R600. Yes it's late, but it's not deal-breaking late, like some people want to claim:

There's nothing to talk up. 40nm DX10.1 is late and DX11 is even more late.

Perkam

The difference between DX10.1 and this is NVIDIA was trying to ignore DX10.1. A lot of the optimizations available with it worked on their DX10 hardware, and the only reason I can think of to add support with 40nm chips was because there was no reason not to. Is DX11 even more late than DX10.1 parts? I don't know, does a few months equate to longer than a year plus?

[marten_larsson]

The difference between DX10.1 and this is NVIDIA was trying to ignore DX10.1. A lot of the optimizations available with it worked on their DX10 hardware, and the only reason I can think of to add support with 40nm chips was because there was no reason not to. Is DX11 even more late than DX10.1 parts? I don't know, does a few months equate to longer than a year plus?

What was the reason for NOT using it on the GT200? I mean, DX10.1 had been out for quite some time when they launched... And four months is pretty bad actually. Especially when those for months consist of Win7 launch AND Christmas season... But of course, they could always say "but we've got CUDA and PhysX so it doesn't matter if loose in everything else.."

[LordEC911]

Thing is, if we're talking about what NVIDIA will do when the RV870 launches, they don't even have to ask people to wait 6 months or even close to that. Just a few months later (no more than four I'd say) they'll have their cards out in quantity. This is a very different situation from the past where NVIDIA lead the way, but by no means is this NVIDIA's R600. Yes it's late, but it's not deal-breaking late, like some people want to claim:

LMAO, how can you say all that when it isn't even close to being released?
The main thing is that it is possibly so delayed that some aren't even sure they can hit Q1 '10... Even if they do, if AMD really does launch in Sept, that is 6 months to the end of Q1 '10.

[JohnZS]

This thread makes me
I really like how you are all convinced that nVidia are a long way off releasing their DirectX11 GPU and that ATi will release in September.
IMHO ATi might be before nVidia......but only by a matter of weeks.. 1 month at most. ATi will arrive in late October/Early November, nVidia will arrive Mid November/Early December.
Stock shortages for BOTH vendors will persist until Mid Jan 2010.
John

[Oberon]

This thread makes me
I really like how you are all convinced that nVidia are a long way off releasing their DirectX11 GPU and that ATi will release in September.
IMHO ATi might be before nVidia......but only by a matter of weeks.. 1 month at most. ATi will arrive in late October/Early November, nVidia will arrive Mid November/Early December.
Stock shortages for BOTH vendors will persist until Mid Jan 2010.
John

The thing is that everyone's claims that ATI will beat NVIDIA to market by quite a bit are at least substantiated by a number of rumours, and we've seen working silicon from ATI. If NVIDIA is only a matter of weeks behind, I'd bet my life savings that they'd have at least gotten a few reporters together behind closed doors to show something.

[LordEC911]

This thread makes me
I really like how you are all convinced that nVidia are a long way off releasing their DirectX11 GPU and that ATi will release in September.
IMHO ATi might be before nVidia......but only by a matter of weeks.. 1 month at most. ATi will arrive in late October/Early November, nVidia will arrive Mid November/Early December.
Stock shortages for BOTH vendors will persist until Mid Jan 2010.
John

Ummm did you miss both conference calls?
AMD said they will have cards out BY Windows 7 launch.
Nvidia had to side-step any sort of statement.

I am more amused by you, and some others, being convinced that this ~480mm2 40nm chip is more than on-schedule.
Less than a week ago, CJ confirmed that G300 hasn't been taped-out for a long time.

[Cybercat]

What was the reason for NOT using it on the GT200? I mean, DX10.1 had been out for quite some time when they launched... And four months is pretty bad actually. Especially when those for months consist of Win7 launch AND Christmas season... But of course, they could always say "but we've got CUDA and PhysX so it doesn't matter if loose in everything else.."

I suggest you ask NVIDIA that question. Obviously they didn't feel it was important enough, and I'm inclined to agree.

LMAO, how can you say all that when it isn't even close to being released?
The main thing is that it is possibly so delayed that some aren't even sure they can hit Q1 '10... Even if they do, if AMD really does launch in Sept, that is 6 months to the end of Q1 '10.

Four months after RV870 is my guess. Are we not allowed to speculate?

[orangekiwii]

No you're not.

[LordEC911]

Four months after RV870 is my guess. Are we not allowed to speculate?

No, go right ahead. I am all for speculation, that is my forte.
I just have to disagree with what you were speculating.
IMO, 4 months after RV870 would be a best case scenario, i.e. everything goes smoothly here on out.

[JohnZS]

Gentlemen,
All I am saying is that.... remember a certain "Can O' Whoop Ass" comment which was uttered by a certain "Founder and CEO" prior to the GT200 launch?

Now... didn't that can explode into the face of the CEO who said that he would open this?

Wouldn't it be wise to assume that he would have learned from his lesson this time around, and instead will act differently and instead go for tactics of "Shock and Awe"

We have a saying here that "Empty barrels make the most noise, but those full of bounty do not.."

ATi, could either fail to impress (HD2900/3800) OR "do a G80", we just do not know...

John

[Andrew LB]

no way I believe this is true, tape-out hasn't even happened yet and it's ~3 months more after that before we see production cards being sold.

The first tape-out of the GT300 was back in January/Feb of 2009. And nVidia had a far more refined tape-out which was announced in Santa Clara, CA in May, 2009.

I see absolutely no reason why the GT300 cards will not be ready by Q4 2009 considering their first tape out was over 7 months ago.

While in the past couple years, I've been quite skeptical regarding nVidia's recent claims about their forthcoming chips. But this time seems quite different and brings back memories of how quiet nVidia was about the G80.

Typically companies who run their mouths all the time about their upcoming "groundbreaking" GPU/CPU.... it almost always ends in disaster. (FX series of nVidia cards).

I'm even becoming quite concerned for ATI/AMD because they're by far the more vocal of the two GPU manufacturers.

I have a feeling nVidia is going to release a beast of a card later this year.

[LordEC911]

I'm even becoming quite concerned for ATI/AMD because they're by far the more vocal of the two GPU manufacturers.

I have a feeling nVidia is going to release a beast of a card later this year.

#1- Tape-outs aren't "announced" they are leaked/rumored/speculated on from sources.

Also I feel the complete opposite.
AMD/ATi is confident but not overly confident like they acted previously, R600/Phenom, or like Nvidia after G80.
On the flip-side Nvidia, while being somewhat silent about their new GPU, have been very vocal on numerous other projects which will be merged into this new GPU. I have a feeling Nvidia is spread too thin and is working on far too many different projects/products and needs to reapply focus on their core products.

Edit- Not exactly what I would like to use for "proof" but Charlie is thinking the same.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/07/...300-tapes-out/

[Talonman]

This thread makes me
I really like how you are all convinced that nVidia are a long way off releasing their DirectX11 GPU and that ATi will release in September.
IMHO ATi might be before nVidia......but only by a matter of weeks.. 1 month at most. ATi will arrive in late October/Early November, nVidia will arrive Mid November/Early December.
Stock shortages for BOTH vendors will persist until Mid Jan 2010.
John

Not all of us...

[largon]

The first tape-out of the GT300 was back in January/Feb of 2009. And nVidia had a far more refined tape-out which was announced in Santa Clara, CA in May, 2009.

I see absolutely no reason why the GT300 cards will not be ready by Q4 2009 considering their first tape out was over 7 months ago.

Source?
First tape out 7 months ago would mean nV is having HUGE problems with the chip.

[Jowy Atreides]

This thread makes me
I really like how you are all convinced that nVidia are a long way off releasing their DirectX11 GPU and that ATi will release in September.

Stock shortages for BOTH vendors will persist until Mid Jan 2010.
John

Well, you make me

You thread crap everywhere about how you can't buy ATI cards in the uk.

I've now bought my 40th ati 5 series card.

10 of which in the first two weeks of launch.

40

[zalbard]

I've now bought my 40th ati 5 series card.

Jesus, what do you need so many cards for?!