Elpida Hyper Graveyard

[saaya]

If the boards are killing the ram shouldn't the board manufacturers being paying for the ram RMA and not the memory manufacturers?

Hyper is not cheap to buy, if you RMA 1 kit thru death, get another and that kit dies also does that not point at the board as the issue?

Im not saying THIS is what should happen, I am asking a serious question here as I see memory dying that has not been massively overvolted and is within the specs laid down by the dram IC manufacturer.

if you can prove a board kills mem then the board maker will be ain a world of hurt

but from what ive heard so far i doubt thats actually the case...

As a general comment on a related problem...are Asus willing to ackowledge that they overvolt by towards 0.1v on some boards compared to the BIOS label?

I dont think board makers will take responsbility for someone elses component dying.

thats an important thing... and i hope the dram makers and the dram vendors can push asus to stop this... its really about time they stop those +1mhz default fsb and +.1v default voltage nonsense...

and no, board makers would nevber pay for dead components killed by their boards, but if they do kill hw it means they actually failed the fcc test or should fail it, and once that happens they are in trouble... casue from then on all their designs will be tripple checked and for some time they will lose loads of orders and contracts...

plus theyd have to recall all defective boards

actuall;y defaulting vdimm to +.1v is very close to violating the specs, so asus should really watch out...

and i think the same as eva, the more recent batches of hyper seem to be veeery flaky... its an elpida problem, im sure... i mean people buy mem and its doa... hows that possible? in this high numbers? elpida hyper is either mega ultra sensitive to ESD or the bga is so fk\laky it can break and get damaged if you touch the dimms slightly too strong... both cases is elpidas problem...

This seriously a concerting issues. It really is something that makes me unsure about investing into a higher speed memory kit. Really the saving grace has been at least these memory modules are supplied through companies we know have strong support and RMA policies. I am going to see if I can get any test reports on my end and see if can provide you guys with any additional information. Additionally has anyone had the chance to try the memory linked below or know what IC's are based on? I think it is also something we at ASUS have talked about in trying to work with memory vendors and testing these modules for a longer period of time to see if issues can be found before they are experienced. This does make wonder though if something is wrong or off with the binning process currently.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...triple_channel

the thread title mentions what memory chips this is about :P
and it would be good if you could give asus feedback to stop overvolting vdimm instead of pointing towards a memory vendor when there are reports of at least 5 memory vendors products being affected more or less equally.

I agree, it's the first ram I've ever had to RMA over let's say at least the last 15 years and i've already had to RMA 2 sets in one month. I am surprised manufacturers are still using this stuff, it must be costing them a fortune in RMA's.

yes... whats the point in having superfast memory but it actually only lasts for a couple of months max...

i hope elpida is paying the mem makers for the rmas, if not, id drop elpida memory right away or only sell it rated at 1.5v... while there is still memory dieing at 1.5v it should be notably less than at 1.65v

On my 760 100% load full load voltage is actually very close to what is set in BIOS. A few loops into LInx will show the real 100% load VDimm. THe controller specification has Voffset and Vdroop, which is why idle voltage is above the full load voltage in order to ensure adequate transient response.

no need to defend the classified
we all know its not the boards causing this... like mescalamba said, there should be a big enough security headroom for the vdimm spec to make sure that the mem doesnt die if the board overvolts slightly.

i still think .1v on asus is way too much though, thats not an innaccuracy but done on purpose... same as on some gigabyte boards, i remember a gigabyte ddr2 board that overvolted by a whooping .27v which is insane...

so it seems most of the memory dies pretty fast...
which means if you got a stick of elpida and it went through a 1 week torture session it has a good chance of surviving for a few months at least... so thats at least something good to know...

and yes, i recommend everybody who wants to buy elpida highspeed ddr3 memory to make sure the shop they buy it from rmas quickly and without trouble or the vendor/brand will replace the memory quickly and reliably.