I noticed that stability of the pcie can actually be determined with everest memory speeds. My system hits hits around 9975-10010 in the memory read test when everything is stable at the speeds. It turns out that with pcie at 140mhz at the ht link up at 3072 its not stable with 1.2v on the ht. I knew that because the memory reads were in the 9600s and 9700s meaning something wasn't right. With the voltage bumped up to 1.28v it works fine now and memory reads are back where they should be.

The ht link needing more voltage goes back to the other thread about when I asked why not have the ht link higher since it should bring higher performance. I'm guessing mine didn't need voltage till a while later because the cpu is on phase, but air systems need voltage sooner.