Quote Originally Posted by Freaky Freezer View Post
I'm not sticking up for Gabe. I don't know him on any form of personal level. I'm sticking up for his results, which you have admitted are an accurate representation of the majority of water-coolers on this forum. And I never discredited anyone else. I gave you plausible scenarios which you are obviously to obtuse to consider and would immeadiately call them "conspiracy theories".

You have no idea who the other independent testers on this site are, you have no idea who they work for, what business, company they are a part of or own. You have no idea what company gives them free stuff or work in exchange for "favors". YOU are the one who discredited Gabe because YOU DO KNOW WHO HE IS. If you're going to do that, then you need to descredit the others for NOT KNOWING WHO THEY ARE. Either take everyones results with the same level of trust, or don't trust any results, don't pick and choose.

Here's a conspiracy theoryfor you; you like Koolance and these results don't like Koolance best.
Your examples are conspiracy theories meant to discredit, and you know it

Ok, maybe this is what you are asking for: "Any manufacturer that posts results under assumed names are frauds, and you know who you are!!!" Is that what you are saying I should agree with? Now, as reasonable (if dramatic) that statement is, how does that somehow imply that tests not conducted by some manufacturer's employee are invalid? Don't you see anything wrong with your statement? You are basically saying that we should essentially dismiss all other tests because of the possibility that they are ACTUALLY done by the manufacturers...and you don't think that is conspiracy theory? You think that Gabe's tests are to be treated as absolutely alturistic simply because his name is attached? Man, you have a lot to learn about reality.

And you don't seem to be able to read statistics well. Gabes tests are NOT representative of most of the users of the forum. When he runs his pumps at full, not half, speed, then they will be valid for the "majority" of users.

Yes, I think Gabe's tests are valid, for the conditions of the test. I said it before and I'll repeat it again. But I also think the test is intentionally constructed to favor the GTZ. There you go. When Gabe runs a test that uses:

  • Multiple rates of flow
  • Uses single AND multiblock configurations
  • And posts all results for all conditions


I'll be happy to call king to the king, whoever that may be. I'll be happy to call the GTZ king under Gabe's conditions, but that's it, and since I run MY pump at max speed it's not king for me, at least not according to other tests.

As for me liking Koolance (and you liking Swiftech - translation hypocrite) I've never attempted to hide that. I've also never spoken out against other tests that were fair, even when Koolance came out behind, since in most cases the tests were broad in scope and were representative of the varying conditions XS readers will see in the real world. But of course that doesn't fit your argument so you chose to dismiss it out of hand.

Now here's why I am using a 350 and not a GTZ.

  • First I use ALU, and because of that the plated 350 is a better choice.
  • Second the 350's mounting system is less prone to problems (ala it will work on any cpu variant, lapped, unlapped, too high too low).
  • Third I like Koolance and what they have done, and the block looks good.


Now, if I was using no ALU I might have considered a different block, maybe the GTZ, maybe something else. But I'm happy with Koolance and no one can dispute that their recent products are top notch. Are they the best? That depends on the conditions. Certainly not always and certainly sometimes.