Larrabee - lets get naked!

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It sucking had NOTHING to do with drivers, it's weak Hardware. I've never had any problems with Intel's IGP Drivers. Or even the integrated ATI rage drivers that Intel shipped, I can't say the same for nVidia, SIS and or VIA

yeah but your not playing games are you? their driveres arent even made by their own engineers but an external company afaik... their drivers are great for 2d, but 3d... not really... and check the matrox review on 3dcenter where they throw in g45 as well. there is almost no scaling in most games between diferent resolutions, which looks like very poor to no driver optimizations.

Does AMD(ATI) do marketing? I barely knew .

heheheh, yeah its quite silent these days... but nvidia will open another "can of whop4ss" marketing wise as soon as they have something new out, you can rely on that

Will it really hurt amd and nvidia? Gt300 and rv870 will hurt high-performance computing with the cpu. Cpus will become less important, so intel really needs a product against it. Intel will get market share, but the market should grow fast with opencl. I don't think Larrabee will be a good choice for gamers, but it will be strong in gpgpu.

thats what nvidia and ati want us to believe... but who is actually using gpgpu and for what?
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nvidia is barely selling any gpgpu stuff and not making much money on it, and amd even less... gpgpu hasnt taken off yet, and im not so sure it ever will take off big time... its another feature hardware makers are trying to tell their customers is great, its not like customers wanted a gpgpu cause its so useful, its hardware makers that thought they could make extra money with their chips if they add some more instructions and change the design a bit...

Intel eating nvs market share from the top??? Never heard intel claiming this. All comments i heard are that it's a performance chip, so first it has to beat rv870.

i doubt intel would launch larrabee unless they can come out on top... they want to enter the market, and they want to enter at the top, thats the best strategy for them actually, so i agree on that. they really want it, they got loads of cash, very good chip fabs, very good engineers... if they want it, theyll get it... its just a matter of time and money

what intel will probably not be good at is price perf... but thats not their goal afaik... thats why amd will actually be less impacted by larrabee than nvidia i think...

Where is the proof to that? Intel releases new drivers for their integrated vga about every couple weeks.

latest game is out, you get it, perf sucks, or there are artifacts... oh, but no problem, you just have to wait a FEW WEEKS for a new driver...
now im sure you get the point he made about driver updates not beeing frequent enough, at least atm...

lol, the die layout is messy? wow, we sure have upped the criteria we use to evaluate hardware

it looks messy, doesnt mean it is messy
im sure they had a reason to arrange the cores like that...

Yeah. I still remember the buzz generated when Intel released it's first graphics card. Even the first rewievs where the journalists tried to be as "pollite' as possible. This is a bad move coming from their part. If they really wanted to capture the video graphics market they should have moved in silence. This way Nvidia and AMD are just holding on and preparing their big cards for the time Larabee will be released. The true winner will hold on to his big card for the second wave. That will be the true battle: the second version of Larabee against Nvidias chips and AMD's offering...

keeping something like larrabee secret is not possible.. period... nvidia and ati would know about it either way, so it would be public, and once its publ;ic you might wanna use pr to get the launch going as good as possible. and intel did an ... ok job on that... there are quite some people who want to buy larrabee and think it will be the best since sliced bread without actually knowing anything about it, let alone its competing products