Larrabee - lets get naked!

[BuBBle.D]

Its a GPGPU. But it will also be used as IGP in a CPU later on. Think something like 4-8 cores in IGP. 8-32 Cores in discrete GFX card. (Larrabee cores).

K thnx for clearing it up.

[Manicdan]

i think this was really a way for intel to offer an IGP thats not so sucky, so when they sell laptops they make alot more of the profit on their own. i think this is a great idea for them when it comes to the next step in expanding their reach. how it will do against high end chips, i really dont care.

[trinibwoy]

lol, the die layout is messy? wow, we sure have upped the criteria we use to evaluate hardware

[YukonTrooper]

lol, the die layout is messy? wow, we sure have upped the criteria we use to evaluate hardware

[Katanai]

i think this was really a way for intel to offer an IGP thats not so sucky, so when they sell laptops they make alot more of the profit on their own. i think this is a great idea for them when it comes to the next step in expanding their reach. how it will do against high end chips, i really dont care.

Yeah, the only problem is that it's a discrete GPU not integrated. That and the fact that we don't really need 32 processing cores on the northbridge...

[Sly Fox]

I'd love to see Larrabee come in and smash all the competition. Just means a better graphics card for me.

Can't really see it though, I've seen very few products be truly quality on attempt #1. Intel could have something up their sleeve though, so who knows.

[Katanai]

I'd love to see Larrabee come in and smash all the competition. Just means a better graphics card for me.

Can't really see it though, I've seen very few products be truly quality on attempt #1. Intel could have something up their sleeve though, so who knows.

Yeah. I still remember the buzz generated when Intel released it's first graphics card. Even the first rewievs where the journalists tried to be as "pollite' as possible. This is a bad move coming from their part. If they really wanted to capture the video graphics market they should have moved in silence. This way Nvidia and AMD are just holding on and preparing their big cards for the time Larabee will be released. The true winner will hold on to his big card for the second wave. That will be the true battle: the second version of Larabee against Nvidias chips and AMD's offering...

[mattkosem]

Yeah. I still remember the buzz generated when Intel released it's first graphics card. Even the first rewievs where the journalists tried to be as "pollite' as possible. This is a bad move coming from their part. If they really wanted to capture the video graphics market they should have moved in silence. This way Nvidia and AMD are just holding on and preparing their big cards for the time Larabee will be released. The true winner will hold on to his big card for the second wave. That will be the true battle: the second version of Larabee against Nvidias chips and AMD's offering...

i740? yeah, what a flop that was! Lots of hype followed shortly after by lots of disappointment.

--Matt

[[XC] riptide]

LOL! Ye and CUDA and CTM already made the CPU so obsolete. They are both useless.

I disagree.

[oohms]

From a gamer's perspective, i'm not all that excited. But if it does compete for the top spot, interesting things could happen.

[trinibwoy]

Yep, not surprising though. We dont have much else to go on.

[nn_step]

The layout does not make instant sense. Nor does it make proper layout sense even several passes later.

[Smartidiot89]

I really don't think Intel will "smash the competition" - not on the Gaming market ATI and Nvidia got to much experience there.

But as a GPGPU(GPCPU? whatever lol) and server processorer it is very likely it will be a beast.

[acidpython]

I disagree.

I think he's being sarcastic

[Shintai]

I think he's being sarcastic

Not really. Just look at the CUDA/CTM applications..or lack of same.

[saaya]

It sucking had NOTHING to do with drivers, it's weak Hardware. I've never had any problems with Intel's IGP Drivers. Or even the integrated ATI rage drivers that Intel shipped, I can't say the same for nVidia, SIS and or VIA

yeah but your not playing games are you? their driveres arent even made by their own engineers but an external company afaik... their drivers are great for 2d, but 3d... not really... and check the matrox review on 3dcenter where they throw in g45 as well. there is almost no scaling in most games between diferent resolutions, which looks like very poor to no driver optimizations.

Does AMD(ATI) do marketing? I barely knew .

heheheh, yeah its quite silent these days... but nvidia will open another "can of whop4ss" marketing wise as soon as they have something new out, you can rely on that

Will it really hurt amd and nvidia? Gt300 and rv870 will hurt high-performance computing with the cpu. Cpus will become less important, so intel really needs a product against it. Intel will get market share, but the market should grow fast with opencl. I don't think Larrabee will be a good choice for gamers, but it will be strong in gpgpu.

thats what nvidia and ati want us to believe... but who is actually using gpgpu and for what?
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exactly!
nvidia is barely selling any gpgpu stuff and not making much money on it, and amd even less... gpgpu hasnt taken off yet, and im not so sure it ever will take off big time... its another feature hardware makers are trying to tell their customers is great, its not like customers wanted a gpgpu cause its so useful, its hardware makers that thought they could make extra money with their chips if they add some more instructions and change the design a bit...

Intel eating nvs market share from the top??? Never heard intel claiming this. All comments i heard are that it's a performance chip, so first it has to beat rv870.

i doubt intel would launch larrabee unless they can come out on top... they want to enter the market, and they want to enter at the top, thats the best strategy for them actually, so i agree on that. they really want it, they got loads of cash, very good chip fabs, very good engineers... if they want it, theyll get it... its just a matter of time and money

what intel will probably not be good at is price perf... but thats not their goal afaik... thats why amd will actually be less impacted by larrabee than nvidia i think...

Where is the proof to that? Intel releases new drivers for their integrated vga about every couple weeks.

latest game is out, you get it, perf sucks, or there are artifacts... oh, but no problem, you just have to wait a FEW WEEKS for a new driver...
now im sure you get the point he made about driver updates not beeing frequent enough, at least atm...

lol, the die layout is messy? wow, we sure have upped the criteria we use to evaluate hardware

it looks messy, doesnt mean it is messy
im sure they had a reason to arrange the cores like that...

Yeah. I still remember the buzz generated when Intel released it's first graphics card. Even the first rewievs where the journalists tried to be as "pollite' as possible. This is a bad move coming from their part. If they really wanted to capture the video graphics market they should have moved in silence. This way Nvidia and AMD are just holding on and preparing their big cards for the time Larabee will be released. The true winner will hold on to his big card for the second wave. That will be the true battle: the second version of Larabee against Nvidias chips and AMD's offering...

keeping something like larrabee secret is not possible.. period... nvidia and ati would know about it either way, so it would be public, and once its publ;ic you might wanna use pr to get the launch going as good as possible. and intel did an ... ok job on that... there are quite some people who want to buy larrabee and think it will be the best since sliced bread without actually knowing anything about it, let alone its competing products

[[XC] riptide]

Not really. Just look at the CUDA/CTM applications..or lack of same.

Ya just loook at them. I can use CUDA to speed up my MPEG-2 work, and brute force keys WEP, WPA, and help solve the RC5-72 competition.... an order of magnitude faster than a Q6600.

You should try to stay away from absolute statements Shintai. It makes you look stupid.

[Shintai]

Ya just loook at them. I can use CUDA to speed up my MPEG-2 work, and brute force keys WEP, WPA, and help solve the RC5-72 competition.... an order of magnitude faster than a Q6600.

You should try to stay away from absolute statements Shintai. It makes you look stupid.

RC5 is what...utter waste. MPEG-2 with worse quality than CPU based? The current CTM/CUDA encoders aint exactly quality minded. Is that all we got after 3-4 years?

Plus what actual useful work can you do? There is so much PR, but yet nothing we really use. PhysX would be the closests. And how is that going?

So if thats the best you can come up with..look again

Its a no brainer that Larrabee is an instant killer of CTM and CUDA. Better performance and without all the limitations.

[[XC] riptide]

RC5 is what...utter waste. MPEG-2 with worse quality than CPU based? The current CTM/CUDA encoders aint exactly quality minded. Is that all we got after 3-4 years?

Plus what actual useful work can you do? There is so much PR, but yet nothing we really use. PhysX would be the closests. And how is that going?

So if thats the best you can come up with..look again

Its a no brainer that Larrabee is an instant killer of CTM and CUDA. Better performance and without all the limitations.

Irrelevent.

You said CUDA was useless. I say it isn't. "Nothing you really use?" Maybe you should actually get a CUDA capable card and buy/download a CUDA app. Like others who use CUDA in research on behalf of their own companies.

CUDA is highly effective in some niche areas =! CUDA is useless.

Only a troll would say CUDA is useless.

[Hornet331]

CUDA is highly effective in some niche areas.

So its useless for 99.9% of all people?

[RVWinkle]

CoreAVC uses CUDA. The best HD decoder having strong support for Nvidia is pretty significant.

[saaya]

hmmm well for the average user i think cuda is useless... there arent really any notable advantages that a cuda or no-cuda vga brings, or are there?
i mean sure, if you happen to encode videos a lot and this badaboom tool or cs4 or whatever works for you... but even then the boost is limited... idk, im sceptical about all those attempts to make their cards value look higher than it actually is for average users...

people go all star eyes about what they can do with their new nvidia card, but they never actually use the features... the ones that do usually find out thats its kinda pointless... i remember when i bought my g4mx card it was advertized as having tv out, but the quality sucked, it had tv in, but was too weak to encode properly, it supported 3d glasses but driver support was a nightmare, it was marketed as a gaming card, but was very slow in games...

isnt it the same with cuda?

[trinibwoy]

So its useless for 99.9% of all people?

Yeah just like most advanced technology.

saaya, instead of just blindly talking about stuff you can try doing some research at http://www.hpcwire.com if you really wanted to know who was using GPGPU.

[denice25]

looking forward to it!

[Donnie27]

yeah but your not playing games are you? their driveres arent even made by their own engineers but an external company afaik... their drivers are great for 2d, but 3d... not really... and check the matrox review on 3dcenter where they throw in g45 as well. there is almost no scaling in most games between diferent resolutions, which looks like very poor to no driver optimizations.

yup! I think some of their drivers are made by a 3rd party. But who in the hell uses Intel Integrated Graphics for Games. Then these games did run for me but slow as hell. I didn't have driver problems. I upgrade systems for folks as a hobby, not a business. My way of getting them to upgrade is showing how slow Intel's IGP is. Hell, it would be nice if Games did crash more than the one in twenty times I run them. The biggest thing these folks want to see run are The Sims and WOW! Not bad or poorly coded games like Crysis. In fact, I've found that even noobs know it's useless trying to upgrade to run it LOL! Some are showing more common sense than so called Tech savvy Geeks. For the record, I own both Crysis and Warhead.