http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...-says-nvidia/1Intel’s Nehalem architecture might have generated a lot of excitement and rave reviews, but it turns out that Nvidia isn’t that impressed with its impact on gaming performance. In fact, yesterday the company described Intel’s claims about Core i7's gaming performance as “disingenuous” in a presentation to introduce Nvidia’s concept of an optimised gaming PC.
Thats interesting, but I suppose until game developers really utilize all cores for multiple functions these remarks will fall to the wayside.
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lol there goes another cat fight
I dont understand this argument, without Intel; Nvidia's stuff wouldn't work to begin with... why do they care what people buy in terms of processors? Its not like its pulling from Nvidia's market.
If game developers learned how to do multi threading properly, it would not be a waste of money.
I'd rather have E8400+GTX260 SLI than i920+GTX285
Are we there yet?
I think it is, esp. when you consider it consumes more power than C2Q and C2D.
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There is a lot of truth in that. You are better off with a higher clocked and more energy efficient E8600 than a Core i7 920. Hell, even the AMD Phenom II X3 720BE is a better deal for most people.
Hope Nvidia's scorched earth policy works out for them.
Not surprising for a company that says GPU will overtake the CPU.
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I sense a company thats angry over some chipsets they dont have for that platform....
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I can't believe I agree with NV. Seriously.
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isn't that because most games still rely on core speed mostly ?
it would be nice it they could code for better use for each cpu's advantage instead of jut one thing.
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In other news, Nvidia claims buying a motherboard is also irrelevant, and GT 300 customers will be able to connect their GPUs straight to their monitors, all powered by a hamster in a small box for a psu
The Nehalem platform is an amazing evolutionary step that has stepped up the competition in ways neither AMD nor Nvidia could have imagined, especially in multi-gpu and 2d/3d rendering applications.
What's interesting is that with the integration of the AMD CPU and ATI GPU platforms, a lot of Intel users have been using Nvidia cards so it boggles my mind how they can come up with something so oblivious.
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Maybe GT300 is turning out to be good if they're as brave as attacking Intel like this, well it better be. It's not good to attack a giant without a useful weapon. Especially due to those SLI-licenses...
But then again NV's gonna sell their topend GT300 card probably for $600 or so, that's not exactly cheap either when you still have to have a decent CPU to get most out of it as well. ^^
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I don't disagree with Nvidia's claim here, and Intel's 80% claim IS pretty lame. But those are still some big words for a company that's probably selling an unprecedented number of second GPU's, thanks to most X58 boards being licensed to use SLI.
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Of course they say its waste, because then you won't be able to buy nvidia chipsets
It's a little odd, being as SLI performs better with the increased bandwidth of i7. Their entire point is presumably "Buy our graphics cards" however, in the traditional "spend your money on the GPU rather than CPU for better graphics" line of reasoning. This is less about ego than it is about cash flowing into the company.
you would think the company behind cuda would realize the pc is used for more than just gaming.
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Its more like: Buy a Core 2+nVidia SLI chipset+nVidia GPU(s). Instead of i7+X58+nVidia GPU(s).
nVidia is a desperate company and its goodwill is about used up. nVidia used to be able to bully anyone around to do their bidding. Now they have nothing.
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My thoughts exactly.
If you use the computer for playing only (or for playing and non-CPU intensive tasks), then moving to i7 is going to yield very little return.
However, unless you move from a QX9770 to an i7-920, you're not going to notice a performance decrease either, and the resale value of your current hardware is likely to decrease over time, to the point that, once you seriously consider and upgrade, you might want to give it away because no one is going to pay for it.
As usual, there are infinite shades of grey between nVidia's black and Intel's white.
But that is why they said it's a waste of money to most gamers. They didn't say anything about people who encode media 24/7, or people running a 3d rendering app
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