New Nehalem MAC!

**Shintai** · 03-03-2009, 12:26 PM

Xeon w5580 (3.2 GHz) - > $1600;
Xeon x5570 (2.93 GHz) - > $1386;
Xeon x5560 (2.8 GHz) - > $1172;
Xeon x5550 (2.66 GHz) - > $958;
Xeon 5540 (2.53 GHz) - > $744;
Xeon e5530 (2.4 GHz) - > $530;
Xeon e5520 (2.26 GHz) - > $373;

**Donnie27** · 03-03-2009, 12:29 PM

@Dr Who.

That's one nice looking rig.

Nice pic!

**NBF** · 03-03-2009, 12:29 PM

Maybe the 2.26GHz Gainestown have lower TDP. They are strong enough for most uses even when downclocked/undervolted.

I dont get along with Apples, but they look good for sure!

**perkam** · 03-03-2009, 12:30 PM

Uh Oh. Looks like an apple fanboy is going to get a DP Nehalem rig before Dave.

The prices, surprisingly, aren't that bad at all. ~$5k for the 2x2.66Ghz + 12GB option = Not bad at all.

Perkam

**Rammsteiner** · 03-03-2009, 12:36 PM

Anyway, back on-topic, why didnt they let Dell or so have such a release. Not that Im a Dell fan or whatever, just wondering why they let Crapple have it

**lowfat** · 03-03-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Shintai

Xeon w5580 (3.2 GHz) - > $1600;
Xeon x5570 (2.93 GHz) - > $1386;
Xeon x5560 (2.8 GHz) - > $1172;
Xeon x5550 (2.66 GHz) - > $958;
Xeon 5540 (2.53 GHz) - > $744;
Xeon e5530 (2.4 GHz) - > $530;
Xeon e5520 (2.26 GHz) - > $373;

Well the $1200 upgrade from the 2.26GHz to the 2.66Ghz makes sense

Originally Posted by perkam

The prices, surprisingly, aren't that bad at all. ~$5k for the 2x2.66Ghz + 12GB option = Not bad at all.

Perkam

I think otherwise. Compared to the previous gen Harpertown MP's, the prices seem too high. The base 2.66GHz 8-core Harpertown MP was ~$2800 before. The base 2.26GHz 8-core is $3200 now. i7 is nice, but a 400MHz decrease for more money isn't worth it IMO.

**FischOderAal** · 03-03-2009, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by lowfat

I think otherwise. Compared to the previous gen Harpertown MP's, the prices seem too high. The base 2.66GHz 8-core Harpertown MP was ~$2800 before. The base 2.26GHz 8-core is $3200 now. i7 is nice, but a 400MHz decrease for more money isn't worth it IMO.

Although the new one should be faster nevertheless (or am I mistaken?), I agree with you. The new Mac Pro is too expensive imho. The DDR3 might be another reason for the quite high price.

BUT, what I find even worse, is the 100 Euro (!) increase in the price for the Mac Mini in germany... I don't see the point why they went DDR3, just to say: "look how energy efficient our Mini is"... The "new" white MacBook has DDR2 as well.

Apple's products already were priced above average and now they put just a bit more on the top. Seeing the economy as it is I wouldn't have guessed that. But well... Guess they calculated it all well before they did it.

**lowfat** · 03-03-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Although the new one should be faster nevertheless, I agree with you. The new Mac Pro is too expensive imho. The DDR3 might be another reason for the quite high price.

I am pretty sure the FB-DIMM's the MP used before are more expensive than ECC DDR3.

**Shintai** · 03-03-2009, 12:59 PM

Its Apple. Since when did their prices make any sense. Its max price for...some white product

**lowfat** · 03-03-2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Shintai

Its Apple. Since when did their prices make any sense. Its max price for...some white product

90% of their products aren't white BTW.

Their Harpertown 8-core MP's were very reasonably priced. Pretty sure they were the cheapest OEM. That is as long as you didn't buy the memory or hard drives from Apple.

**XS Janus** · 03-03-2009, 01:06 PM

CPU prices are ridiculous! $900 for 2.66GHz thats like 3x the normal one!!!!

---Hmm 8 ram slots?

**FischOderAal** · 03-03-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by lowfat

90% of their products aren't white BTW.

Their Harpertown 8-core MP's were very reasonably priced. Pretty sure they were the cheapest OEM. That is as long as you didn't buy the memory or hard drives from Apple.

Not quite, but they weren't very expensive either

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&d=1235845677

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

If you take the T5400 of Dell for instance, pack into it two 2,83 GHz Quadcores, 2 GB of RAM, a 320 GB HDD and you're at: 2800 USD (see attachment), so at the cost of a Mac Pro via apple.com (you can get it cheaper if you're student of course). But, you get a display for free (special offer), a NVS 290 instead of a 2600XT and 3 years of warranty. Is that worth 1000 USD?

**Mats** · 03-03-2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

BUT, what I find even worse, is the 100 Euro (!) increase in the price for the Mac Mini in germany... I don't see the point why they went DDR3, just to say: "look how energy efficient our Mini is"... The "new" white MacBook has DDR2 as well.

Probably because of the new Nvidia 9400 chipset, just look at the prices for retail boards:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=...7_GeForce+9400
Last version used Intel GMA 950 graphics, which is four years old.

I'm surpised that these new MacPro's only have 4 RAM slots per CPU? And two F(T)W 800 but no eSATA?

**Russian** · 03-03-2009, 01:23 PM

Awful GPu offering. Just awful. Nvidia models are a downgrade, even.

**Mats** · 03-03-2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Russian

Awful GPu offering. Just awful. Nvidia models are a downgrade, even.

Every workstation doesn't need premium video cards, depending of what it is used for.
Besides, the 4870 option is the best card they've offered in a long time.

Is it possible to use retail video cards in this one? Or does it have some kind of whitelist?

**metachronos** · 03-03-2009, 01:38 PM

The only thing this thing is lacking is an option for more than one 4870.

**Shintai** · 03-03-2009, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

Anyway, back on-topic, why didnt they let Dell or so have such a release. Not that Im a Dell fan or whatever, just wondering why they let Crapple have it

Apple lives by such trendy news. HP, Dell, Lenovo etc doesnt.

And if it was Dell you would just ask why not one of the others

So its perhaps good its OSX <-> Windows/Linux divided instead.

**Rammsteiner** · 03-03-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Shintai

And if it was Dell you would just ask why not one of the others

Yeah, you've a point there

Oh well, for anyone interested in Gainestown, it's getting closer although Apple has the premium. I remember back when Asus released dual socket mobo's for skt 940, I was simple drooling to have one although for just gaming it doesnt make a lot of sense

**Donnie27** · 03-03-2009, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

You're right, sorry

His comments were edited. Anyway, this MAC will sell well simply because MAC folks are used to paying higher a prices for what they see as better and or Superior product.

To the rest of the folks on this thread I formally apologize for what I posted and for the weak shot at comedy.

Thank you!

**Movieman** · 03-03-2009, 02:03 PM

Ok, enough talk, where's the boards?

6x1 gig DDR3-1333 ECC
2-TRUE's w/1366 bases
2-X5570's

**BulldogPO** · 03-03-2009, 02:05 PM

I just WANT one of those Dual Gainestown MAC´s

Not typical Mac price, looks kind of affordable (or am I losing my mind finally?).

**LowRun** · 03-03-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Shintai

Apple lives by such trendy news. HP, Dell, Lenovo etc doesnt.

And if it was Dell you would just ask why not one of the others

So its perhaps good its OSX <-> Windows/Linux divided instead.

I would think that Apple is willing to pay what it cost to get it first, if you add the positive feeling that Apple products induce in many people's mind, it's a kind of two birds with one stone thing for Intel, so it probably makes sense on every level.