With voltage jacked up to 1.425V and NB at 1.25V, I show approx 127W at 3.6GHz on my system. Considering that retail chips will very likely still be at 1.35V, I'd say 3.5 is quite reasonable.
With voltage jacked up to 1.425V and NB at 1.25V, I show approx 127W at 3.6GHz on my system. Considering that retail chips will very likely still be at 1.35V, I'd say 3.5 is quite reasonable.
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
So, next 12 months are dedicated for 20 % clock increase(3 GHz -> 3.6 GHz)? Their process is still new as they had to rush to get the PhII out. I'd place my bets on 4 GHz @ Q4. 3.8 GHz is a must.
Are you running on the stock cooler? Ambient? Air-flow?Originally Posted by Particle
Now think of someone in Florida in the summer with no air and stock cooler.
Considering the voltage difference, I don't think you can really put forth that supposition.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
But AMD put such supposition (read tested thermal operating thresholds) into its TDP rating. Bottom line, IF AMD could release a 4Ghz chip today, I bet you a million bucks, they would. The same goes for Intel, and they (c2Q at least) overclock/tolerate heat better with stock cooler, than PHII.
Wasn't PII supposed to have a 300c+ thermal operating envelope (-180+ - 125?
Show me a PHII priming at 90c. I can show you my C2Q oc to 4Ghz priming at 90c.
phenom II throttles it self at 72C.But AMD put such supposition (read tested thermal operating thresholds) into its TDP rating. Bottom line, IF AMD could release a 4Ghz chip today, I bet you a million bucks, they would. The same goes for Intel, and they (c2Q at least) overclock/tolerate heat better with stock cooler, than PHII.
Wasn't PII supposed to have a 300c+ thermal operating envelope (-180+ - 125?
Show me a PHII priming at 90c. I can show you my C2Q oc to 4Ghz priming at 90c.
my temp log volts where ran at 1.700/1.728 volts on load
19:39:17,71°,,,55°,71°,100%,3010.15 MHz,
19:39:27,71°,,,55°,71°,100%,802.71 MHz,
my 9850 would hit 78C before locking up.
HAVE NO FEAR!
"AMD fallen angel"
You didn't get the memo? 1 hour 'Fugger time' is equal to 12 hours of regular time.
Is trottling triggered by the on-board (cpu) sensor or it's triggered in bios? If so, could it be disabled? I can disable trottling in my bios.
don't know
I had my temps on ignore on my bios though.
some other boards might have throttling options in bios (jetway boards do HA07/06) this one don't (asus M3A79-T-deluxe)
HAVE NO FEAR!
"AMD fallen angel"
You didn't get the memo? 1 hour 'Fugger time' is equal to 12 hours of regular time.
Hello dear AMD hater, as you might very well know, temperature does not really play significant role when it comes to stability unless the CPU is unstable already due to too low vCore. That means, if it can't prime @ 90C, bump the vCore and it can. ... ran Orthos for 2 hours w/o fan since cat ate the fan wires, temps +100C, fully stable @ stock.But AMD put such supposition (read tested thermal operating thresholds) into its TDP rating. Bottom line, IF AMD could release a 4Ghz chip today, I bet you a million bucks, they would. The same goes for Intel, and they (c2Q at least) overclock/tolerate heat better with stock cooler, than PHII.
Wasn't PII supposed to have a 300c+ thermal operating envelope (-180+ - 125?
Show me a PHII priming at 90c. I can show you my C2Q oc to 4Ghz priming at 90c.
I am sure you knew this, thus I wonder why did you post it? My theory: "My C2Q is better.". Prove me wrong, if you can.
Very uncalled for, but that's fine. According to your theory, a cpu can run at 200c stable if it is supplied with the right amount of voltage.Hello dear AMD hater, as you might very well know, temperature does not really play significant role when it comes to stability unless the CPU is unstable already due to too low vCore. That means, if it can't prime @ 90C, bump the vCore and it can. ... ran Orthos for 2 hours w/o fan since cat ate the fan wires, temps +100C, fully stable @ stock.
I am sure you knew this, thus I wonder why did you post it? My theory: "My C2Q is better.". Prove me wrong, if you can.
Of course there is absolute limit, which is dependent on a lot of things, as you very well know. But twisting the discussion to your own favour is nothing new from you.Very uncalled for, but that's fine. According to your theory, a cpu can run at 200c stable if it is supplied with the right amount of voltage.
(Is there a thread to report posts which have nothing to do with the thread and which possibly flamebaits? Would become handy.)
Just a friendly reminder, a discussion is one thing but please watch the name-calling, we don't really want yet another thread getting locked
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Where is the absolute limit, according to you, for the PHII?
Edit: I don't mean to question your reading comprehension, but how is the argument that thermal dissipation has an impact on AMDs ability to release a 3.5Ghz quad not related to this thread? Sorry man, I used to think you knew you what you were talking about, but after this, I'm a bit suspicious.
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what we need is someone with an ammeter, and a PHII at 3.5ghz on the stock vcore/stock NB. Considering a 125W TDP 940 uses ~68-77W, I'd be curious if 3.5ghz approaches the 125W TDP.
Snip!
I always get the feeling that Intel & AMD at times hold back from releasing stock speed at what they really could to the enthusiast market to give themselves head room to sell higher stock later on when they could of done so from the get go to temped you to buy again other than the mega priced extreme models & to make overclock % look better.
Seeing as 3.5 -3.6 on stock volts is common to what i see on this from at least, then AMD should cut the milking bull & have 3.0 3.2 3.4 binned versions now but would of course lose OC headroom at this present time.
It'd be very nice if AMD can boost up the P2 speeds up to 3.5GHz. That would heat up the competition, so there are going to be more faster products at lower prices.
The absolute limit, free from any built-in security, would depend on motherboard PCB and internal materials. If those are ruled out, it's becoming pure physics as when molecules/electrons would be moving too fast.
Same as bottom limit, 0K, although Im curious what would happen on ~5K since at ~30K there seems to be no limit
Anyway, to get on topic again, we've seen certain TDP improvements on B3 already, and since a C2 is already pretty much capable of 3.5Ghz at stock I dont see how certain TDP improvements and say C3 couldnt. In the end 2.8Ghz C2 has 125W IIRC, 2.8Ghz C3 is already 95W, and this is how AMD worked for years. It's more likely they bring out a 6Ghz chip than they wont hit 3.5Ghz within normal TDP.
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CPU:
-Intel Core i7 920 3841A522
--CPU: 4200Mhz| Vcore: +120mV| Uncore: 3200Mhz| VTT: +100mV| Turbo: On| HT: Off
---CPU block: EK Supreme Acetal| Radiator: TCF X-Changer 480mm
Motherboard:
-Foxconn Bloodrage P06
--Blck: 200Mhz| QPI: 3600Mhz
Graphics:
-Sapphire Radeon HD 4870X2
--GPU: 750Mhz| GDDR: 900Mhz
RAM:
-3x 2GB Mushkin XP3-12800
--Mhz: 800Mhz| Vdimm: 1.65V| Timings: 7-8-7-20-1T
Storage:
-3Ware 9650SE-2LP RAID controller
--2x Western Digital 74GB Raptor RAID 0
PSU:
-Enermax Revolution 85+ 1250W
OS:
-Windows Vista Business x64
ORDERED: Sapphire HD 5970 OC
LOOKING FOR: 2x G.Skill Falcon II 128GB SSD, Windows 7
xx hours of Prime95 != stable, I hope you guys understand that...
Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)
who cares about 100% stability, you have more change to encouter a BSOD originating from windows (software error) then a computer crash from a 99% stable computer (hardware error)
Couldnt be more wrong. Nothing better than people blamign SW from HW errors.
Also i´m sure we could all run Core 2 at 4Ghz and Phenoms at 3.5-4Ghz in specialized caretaken environments.
It just doesnt work for the 99.99% of other people.
Crunching for Comrades and the Common good of the People.
Who cares? Mate, AMD and Intel both sell stable processors. xx hours of Prime95 is not what AMD or Intel consider stable, by any means. If you feel confortable with your 12h stable Prime it's fine, for AMD is not. Your response is amazing
Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)
hum? i was talking about a 99% stable system...
not a system that only can run Superpi 1M stable, don't misinterpret my words... you are an adult with a good pair of brains (i hope) so don't act like child
what is 100%stable to you? 24 hours of prime? 48 hours? OCCT? I consider my system 99% stable if it can run OCCT. The change to have an hardware error with such a system is smaller than to have an software error.
i have plenty of software errors on my laptop/stock clocked family pc...
then don't overclock your cpu...Who cares? Mate, AMD and Intel both sell stable processors. xx hours of Prime95 is not what AMD or Intel consider stable, by any means. If you feel confortable with your 12h stable Prime it's fine, for AMD is not. Your response is amazing
" Rereads title of this forum: XTREME SYSTEMS"
You're not retarded, so don't behave like one please. This thread is about 3,5GHz stock clocked AMD Phenom II's. For AMD to sell these they have to be stable at stock clocks and volts, that means 3,5GHz stable by the standards of AMD. People in this thread is saying nah, that's piece of cake, mine can do 3,6GHz with stock volts... and that means, here in XS or in Namibia.
Friends shouldn't let friends use Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes Windows Explorer (link)
Ok fellas, drop it. Stability is not very important in this context, let's just say, a program that stresses the cpu for about 8hrs straight; my candidate is prime 95 small ffts. It's not made for Intel systems, but to find prime numbers. They test servers far longer. If I had my wish, prime 95 in-place large ffts would be ideal.
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