Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread

[Xello]

I'm not sure if it is a CPU or Mobo limitation, or am I missing something in the bios, but I'm trying to find why my BCLK seems to be to the lower end of the scale compared to others.

Vcor is 1.39 under load in all examples, these are prime stable for 1 hr, additional vcore does not raise the o-clock in any of the examples.

With Turbo off, the cpu scales to 196 BCLK, or 3920
With Turbo on for the 21x multi to 196 BCLK or 4116
With HT on, Turbo on, 181 BCLK for 3801
With HT on, Turbo off, 190 BCLK doesn't work ?

Now in the last example, it fails within a minute of prime95, with the screen freezing for a few seconds, then a reboot, the same as raising the BCLK in the first 3 examples.

Vdim = 1.64v
QPI = 1.34v (raising it doesn't help)
LL= on

The remaining voltages are auto

QPI multi = x36
Uncore = x16
Mem = x8
X.M.P. = on

I'm using the 4l beta bios, and load temps are in the high 70's with no throttling.

Any suggestions to what might be holding me back ?

Turn XMP off, set your QPI voltage, memory voltage, timings and multi manually

[SteveRo]

hi
i have vista 32 on my main drive and w7 64 on a spare drive and boot to which one by pressing F12
i much prefer w7 but IE8 is unstable so use firefox
i tried to install F5e bios but after a boot it reverts back to F4 offical
flash back to F5a and allworking again (21 x 200)
also removed the blue cover off the the northbridge and temps on the northbridge fell buy 6 c 58c to 52c
would like to water cool N & c bridge with MIPS cover but then problems with cooling morfts

I took the big fin thingy and the water block off my NB.
I have air blowing across the whole mobo (open case tech station).
The NB is just warm to the touch - no need for water on the NB from what I can see.

[JWMc]

After reading about good results with F4n on the UD5 I'm giving it a try. I am getting the same voltage results as f5a-f5d for my current 19x200 target OC with the added benefit that the system doesn't crash when I add the third memory module. LinX good (> 17k problem size), Prime almost an hour but no guarantee. I'm sticking with 8-8-8-21-1T and seeing how it goes!

If you are having stability issues and are using 3 modules I suggest going back (or to) one of the good F4 versions.

BTW, this is also with a much increased ambient temp of 29.5C as I've shut the window.

Edit: Already crashed at maybe an hour and 15 mins. Dropping to 2T command rate and trying again. Is it even worth it to use 1T anyway?

Edit3: 3 hours Prime blend stable so far at same high ambient and other settings with 2T command rate.

[systemviper]

Where can i find hte latest bios for the Gig X58 Extreme,,,,, Vista Sp1 64bit installed....

EDIt just found f5d, is that the latest?

[JWMc]

Where can i find hte latest bios for the Gig X58 Extreme,,,,, Vista Sp1 64bit installed....

EDIt just found f5d, is that the latest?

F5e for UD5 and F5d for Extreme at time of posting:
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/

[FragMagnet]

Xello, SteveRo, and Nilos, thanks for the input, I tried each of your suggestions individualy and together but no luck, It seems the 21x multi is the the sweet spot for this my cpu/mobo, as lowering the multi doesn't help with the BCLK.

SteveRo- I'm on the UD5, I d-loaded the f4L bios when the f4m was available for the Extreme, I'm assuming it's the same generation

So now my 24/7 o-clock is a choice between 3801 HT on, or 4053 HT off. The only encoding I do is the occasional avi-dvd to burn a DVD, without HT this loads all 4 cores at 60-70%. Outside of that the comp is used for online and gaming, am I giving up much by not using HT ? The only negative effects I see from leaving it on is the higher temps on air cooling.

[rge]

Where can i find hte latest bios for the Gig X58 Extreme,,,,, Vista Sp1 64bit installed....

EDIt just found f5d, is that the latest?

F5d is the latest for Extreme. If you use it, let us know if you have problem with reboot bug while Ocing with it, ie at 4ghz etc. If you do have problems shutdown and hit reset to get back into bios. And shutdown/reset to boot after being in bios.

F4m and f4j are best bioses for most.

[Nilos]

I tested the bios but when i want to restart the system, the computer hangs. Always have to push the reset button. Returned to F4M.

[mikesrex]

I'm scared to even flash my BIOS with as many problems as everyone is having. I'm running 4.0 GHz stable 24/7 with no issues with the F1 BIOS on the UD3R. I've gotten it stable (but with higher temps) at 215x21, so should I be happy?

[burningrave101]

I'm having an issue with my board getting over 200Mhz blck. When I try for 206Mhz it only detecting 4 gigs of RAM instead of 6. I tried upping the qpi to 1.44v and also tried upping the vdimm to 1.74v but that doesn't seem to be helping things much. I either fails LinX within the first or second pass or I get a BSOD that seems to be memory related because the last one I got said Memory Management for the BSOD. I either have a bad board or my CPU can't handle pushing the memory past 1600Mhz because I tested and know that my Corsair 1600Mhz Dominators are capable of higher speeds.

[ReverendMaynard]

I'm having an issue with my board getting over 200Mhz blck. When I try for 206Mhz it only detecting 4 gigs of RAM instead of 6. I tried upping the qpi to 1.44v and also tried upping the vdimm to 1.74v but that doesn't seem to be helping things much. I either fails LinX within the first or second pass or I get a BSOD that seems to be memory related because the last one I got said Memory Management for the BSOD. I either have a bad board or my CPU can't handle pushing the memory past 1600Mhz because I tested and know that my Corsair 1600Mhz Dominators are capable of higher speeds.

You try raising the QPI/VTT and QPI/PLL?

[burningrave101]

You try raising the QPI/VTT and QPI/PLL?

Yup. I just tried it again and bumped the QPI/VTT up to 1.48v and the QPI/PLL to 1.4v. It's perfectly stable at 200x19 with my test settings of 1.38V QPI/VTT and 1.3V QPI/PLL. But I push it up to 206Mhz and it's unstable and only detecting 4 gigs of RAM. Something is the matter but I don't know what.

[burningrave101]

I tried upping the vcore to 1.4v and thought that fixed the issue because Vista x64 was detecting 6 gigs again. So then I tried pushing the blck up to 211Mhz and it booted into Vista and detected 6 gigs and so I started running LinX. It froze after a few seconds and BSOD'd. I then upped the vCore to 1.45v thinking that would fix it. I'm back into Vista and guess what? It's only detecting 4 gigs of RAM. So I don't know what's going on. At the moment I'm going to lay the blame on the board until I get a different brand board to test to see if it's the CPU.

[systemviper]

F5d is the latest for Extreme. If you use it, let us know if you have problem with reboot bug while Ocing with it, ie at 4ghz etc. If you do have problems shutdown and hit reset to get back into bios. And shutdown/reset to boot after being in bios.

F4m and f4j are best bioses for most.

I just flashed to F5d, it had F3 from the egg, but in both I have Easy Tune 6 crashing, I like that program on my UD3P and want it with the X58,
I'm running Vista Ultimate Sp1 x64 with all updates~
I wonder if I should backtrack to the F4x, but i hate going backwards...

[SteveRo]

Xello, SteveRo, and Nilos, thanks for the input, I tried each of your suggestions individualy and together but no luck, It seems the 21x multi is the the sweet spot for this my cpu/mobo, as lowering the multi doesn't help with the BCLK.

SteveRo- I'm on the UD5, I d-loaded the f4L bios when the f4m was available for the Extreme, I'm assuming it's the same generation

So now my 24/7 o-clock is a choice between 3801 HT on, or 4053 HT off. The only encoding I do is the occasional avi-dvd to burn a DVD, without HT this loads all 4 cores at 60-70%. Outside of that the comp is used for online and gaming, am I giving up much by not using HT ? The only negative effects I see from leaving it on is the higher temps on air cooling.

find your best stable oc with both ht on and then ht off then run a test to see which one is fastest.
- also - x21 cpu multi is the sweet spot for my 965 also.

[YukonTrooper]

I just flashed to F5d, it had F3 from the egg, but in both I have Easy Tune 6 crashing, I like that program on my UD3P and want it with the X58,
I'm running Vista Ultimate Sp1 x64 with all updates~
I wonder if I should backtrack to the F4x, but i hate going backwards...

Seems like many people are having EasyTune problems with x64. Is there anybody at all that has it working with 64-bit systems?

I'm running it fine, but I'm on x86.

[JWMc]

EasyTune 6 works in Vista-64, mostly lol. It just crashes sometimes and gives error messages. It's still good enough to see what your BIOS settings are and to show them in screen shots.

Here's my latest result with BIOS F4n, 6 gigs, 8-8-8-21-2T, 19x200 non turbo with HT, 1.184v load, 1.200v idle, stopped Prime after 3.5 hours and re-ran LinX x 20, booyakasha:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1...gsdetaike1.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=486971

Screw 1T command rate.

[YukonTrooper]

I do wish EasyTune had more controls, such as "Turbo" and command rate options.

Screw 1T command rate.

How dare you run 2T on high-end hardware.

[JWMc]

I'm not losing any performance as far as Super-PI or LinX Gflops by going from 1T to 2T. I've been on 1T the whole time so far so I guess it's time to do some back to back comparisons with a slew of benches.

[Xello]

I'm not losing any performance as far as Super-PI or LinX Gflops by going from 1T to 2T. I've been on 1T the whole time so far so I guess it's time to do some back to back comparisons with a slew of benches.

1T doesn't seem to offer the same gains compared to X48, but it equally doesn't hold back your OC from what i could tell.

I done what you're saying and went back to some settings to see if 2T would let me clock memory higher / take other timings down, but it didn't make any difference.

I just stick with 1T

[JWMc]

1T doesn't seem to offer the same gains compared to X48, but it equally doesn't hold back your OC from what i could tell.

I done what you're saying and went back to some settings to see if 2T would let me clock memory higher / take other timings down, but it didn't make any difference.

I just stick with 1T

I still haven't passed a really long Prime blend run with 2T and 3 x 2GB @ 1600mhz 8-8-8-21 @ 19 x 200 BCLK but I did do 3.5 hours. I was getting consistent crashes after about an hour in to Prime blend with 1T but -only- with 3 modules. I went 11 hours with 2 modules @ 1T.

I will do the long test to ensure that I am really stable with just changing to 2T and no other setting change with 3 modules and then re-test @ 1T to make sure that I am getting repeatable crashes in Prime blend.

[burningrave101]

Have any of you played with the Clock Drive or Clock Skew settings to see if you could gain any more stability by changing anything there?? On the clock drive it seems to set to 800/900 on optimized defaults but 700/700 after flashing the BIOS. Probably doesn't make any difference much really.

[revenant]

so is the double start thing a known issue? I power the pc on and it goes on, off, and on again... it never has any issues posting after that, but it's just kind of weird. Maybe some kind of power check??

[JWMc]

I was seeing that repeated 'power cycle' issue on cold boot with f5a-f5d BIOS versions. I am not seeing this issue in f4n.

Edit: Yes I am. Plus a new issue after much testing, the multi setting input box can get stuck in the BIOS and not accept your changes. I am now using F5e with much success (which also does the repeated 'power cycle' upon cold boots or certain BIOS setting changes).

[burningrave101]

so is the double start thing a known issue? I power the pc on and it goes on, off, and on again... it never has any issues posting after that, but it's just kind of weird. Maybe some kind of power check??

It does that to me when it restarts after saving changed settings in the BIOS.