Real Temp - New temp program for Intel Core processors

[unclewebb]

I just found some ATI specific code yesterday so it might happen fairly quick. It just makes sense to me that RealTemp 2.90 Final should be able to read temperatures from both Nvidia and ATI graphics cards. I'm half way there.

[SportsFanBoy]

Uncle, sometime in the future you should consider a donation thingy. I for one would throw you a couple bucks for your hard work!!

[Lsdmeasap]

Ahh! Nice to hear.

I dont game, or check my Card temps often (Only when bench'n) so I just was trying to check it out. Think I need to read more often before I post, then I would have known it did not work for ATI yet!


Ahh, somedays I just never know about me!

[unclewebb]

Lsdmeasap: No problems. Not everyone has time to read through 125 pages to see what's been going on lately.

Uncle, sometime in the future you should consider a donation thingy.

The last official version 2.70 has been downloaded over 218,000+ times since August and so far a grand total of one person has taken the time to get my PayPal address from me and send me some money so I could go get something to eat. That's why I'm not overly concerned about the next official release. Writing freeware software doesn't pay very well.

There's a great bunch of users here at XS that have helped test and have contributed to making RealTemp a great program. I'm happy to be able to give something back to the community here.

You can always contact me at Real_Temp@yahoo.ca and I'll send you my PayPal address where you can send me a beer and a burger. I like to eat too. I shared my first royalty check with my daughter and she's been patiently waiting for her next installment. The wife isn't too happy with the project RealTemp balance sheet either. She keeps saying nasty things like, "Go get a job you lazy bum!"

[SportsFanBoy]

Haha a beer and burger it is then... Maybe a donate tab or something on the app somewhere. 200,000 people may have downloaded your application, but that is easy.
Taking the time to contact you and get an address, then send money, takes additional energy that most people are not willing to give, especially for a donation.
If you make it easier for them ( and me ), I can all but guarantee some money will come in from it.

[003]

Yeah there is no easy way to donate. If there was a paypal button, it would be so much easier, and I would for sure donate.

[shazza]

Yeah there is no easy way to donate. If there was a paypal button, it would be so much easier, and I would for sure donate.

Agreed ... I generally donate to all free software I download - as long as I use it and find it helpful. Real Temp certainly is one of the best I've found so far!

[unclewebb]

Head to PayPal, log in, click on the Send Money tab and I'd be happy for any cash that comes my way.
The stock market has really sucked lately so some extra cash wouldn't hurt.

Send your donations to:
monitrex@yahoo.ca

I'll try to add a PayPal button to the About... box someday.
It's been on my things to do list but it keeps getting bumped by more important stuff.

[SportsFanBoy]

Your not greedy, good man.

[unclewebb]

Thanks for the $contributions$ to project RealTemp.

fgw supplied me with some code recently which got me motivated to create a RealTemp / RivaTuner plug in and it seems to work.
I'll need to have a closer look at things tomorrow but here's the first beta release:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...507/RTCore.zip

Unzip and copy the attached files into your RivaTuner/PlugIns/Monitoring directory and the rest should be easy.

I plan to add an option to RealTemp so that the TJMax and Calibration settings will be automatically copied into this RivaTuner directory whenever you update these settings in RealTemp. At the moment you will need to edit these values manually in the new RTCore.cfg configuration file.

Finally some RealTemp data on my G15.



I wasn't able to use all of the RealTemp MHz code in this plug-in so the MHz are not updated in real time like they are in RealTemp. If you use SetFSB then you would need to re-start RivaTuner if you want the MHz to be recalculated. Other than that, the temperatures and Load meter should be almost identical to what RealTemp displays and the MHz are far better than the CPU.dll plug-in that I tried. Happy testing.

Edit: Almost forgot. This plug-in includes Distance to TJMax for each core for those that like to keep an eye on that number.

[emoners]

thanks uncle! lovin the G15 plugin!

[Naja002]

Just wondering if there is any chance for a feature/program that will monitor/display temps of more than one PC over a network?

That sounds like a useful app but I have no idea where to start.

I don't either, but free programs like FAHmon, FAHspy and Boincview monitor (not temps) across a network and may be of some help in understanding how that's setup.

There's about 1.5 million boinc crunchers right now, many of us run multiple hosts, so having a consolidated temp monitor would be a wonderful thing.

[unclewebb]

Just a quick bug fix. The original version wouldn't display Load % if you had the MHz part of the plug in disabled but it's all better now.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...507/RTCore.zip

[stasio]

Hmm,I saw Real Temp 2.90 RC12

[burebista]

Yep. Automatic deployment of RivaTuner plugin.

[stasio]

And also Core Temp 0.99.4
When I start Core Temp,Real Temp RC12 gone.
Edit:
After restarting everything OK

[unclewebb]

I finally added a good looking PayPal button to RC12.
If you click the magic button 100 times and make a donation each time you could win a prize!

[WaterFlex]

I finally added a good looking PayPal button to RC12.
If you click the magic button 100 times and make a donation each time you could win a prize!

[genec57]

uncleweb,
I have sort of a strange one for you. If I reduce the tjmax the reported temp on my cores goes down by the amount that I reduce tjmax. The distance to tjmax remains the same. With a tjmax of 100 on my E8500 with TEC cooling the temp will never go below 11c.
I am running Windows 7 and haven't yet tested this on my Vista drive. Weird

The behavior is the same in Vista 64

[unclewebb]

The basic formula is this:

Reported Temperature = TJMax - Distance to TJMax

The Distance to TJMax number is the data coming from the on chip sensors. It's pretty easy to see that any change that you make to TJMax will directly effect your Reported Temperature.

Your temp never gets reported lower than 11C because your sensors are not capable of reporting very low temperatures. They become saturated is how Intel referred to it. The simple folk around here call that getting stuck.

All of these sensors do that. You're lucky that you can get down to 11C. Most 45nm Core 2 sensors can't get that low.

I saw a screen shot yesterday of RealTemp reporting a Core i7 at -9C. The Core i7 sensors are not perfect but they're much improved compared to the previous generation.

Leave your TJMax at 100C for your CPU and accept the fact that 11C is as low as you're going to see.

[genec57]

good explanation, thanks.

[anzial]

So is TJmax 100C or 95C for 45nm C2Ds (e8500 e0 stepping in particular)? I'm getting confused now

[unclewebb]

We're all confused, even Intel.

The official word is that the TJ Target for an E8500 E0 is 100C. TJMax may be equal to the TJ Target if Intel was having a good day on the production line or it might be slightly higher if your chip was built on a Friday.

The bottom line is that TJMax is not a fixed value like we were all hoping for and Intel confirmed that in their presentations last year if you look at their graphs. There is some variation in that number but Intel never said exactly how much variation there is. With the 45nm Core 2 chips, not only is there some TJMax variation from one E8500 to another E8500 but there can also be TJMax variation from one core to the other. This becomes very obvious when you start looking at the 45nm Quad processors. There's so much random variation in these sensors that finding 4 of them all in agreement is close to impossible.

This is the reason why Intel has never recommended using these sensors to report accurate core temperatures. My opinion is that as long as your sensors are not sticking, most of them can be calibrated / adjusted to report some reasonably accurate core temperatures.

If your sensors aren't sticking at lower temperatures then the best thing you can do is compare your reported temperatures to your room temperature with your case open.
rge did some extensive testing and found a relationship that seems pretty accurate and gives you something to shoot for when calibrating.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2429

Use TJMax=100C as your default but you might find one core that is a little higher than that. Post a CPU Cool Down Test. It can help show differences in the temperature slopes of your sensors, differences in TJMax as well as if any of your sensors are getting stuck.

[rge]

Thread has gotten quiet...guess that happens when you have a kick butt utility that's working well

Now that it monitors my gpu temp as well, it is great having just one very light footprint temp program for monitoring cpu/gpu loop with alarm/auto shutdown. Also great for benching on runs when i need to see temps, just uncheck the alarm shutdown and go....with the other program I had used I had to delete all alarm entries..but usually just shut it down and used realtemp for benching.

Of course I am now used to things working perfect with just Real Temp and take all this for granite

[burebista]

Thread has gotten quiet...guess that happens when you have a kick butt utility that's working well

Stay tuned, a final version is on the way (with proper documentation too).

Otherwise RealTemp works flawless, RivaTuner plugin is a great addition (at least for me), I'm a happy camper now. No surprise though because uncle is a perfectionist