Real Temp - New temp program for Intel Core processors

[Vatos_locos]

no problem m8
i was on Vista tho and i had the privilege to wright on the folder
i don't know why it did this but it still dose it on the same folder i guess something is wrong with my vista and not with real temp :p

[unclewebb]

I like Vista except for one nasty habit it has. I have XP and Vista in a dual boot config on separate hard drives and when I'm in either OS, I can access the files on the other hard drive.
Everything works great for a few months and then Vista decides that there is a problem with this strange XP hard drive so it goes over and changes the file permissions and nukes everything.
After this "fix", Windows XP won't boot up anymore or will take forever to boot up and the file permissions will be screwed up.

I just dragged a RealTemp folder from my desktop to the C: directory and RealTemp started fine. Just check the file permissions on the RealTemp.ini file when you have the issue that the settings aren't being saved. If you don't have permission to write to that file for whatever reason, RealTemp won't be able to save your settings.

[randomizer]

On a different note. Anyone wanting to test out the public beta version of Windows 7 should head here and get in line before Microsoft closes the door:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/e.../dd353205.aspx

Triple booting Vista, XP and Win 7 on one HDD now. I had to do some serious re-arrangement to get my games off a primary partition and onto a logical one (that didn't already exist) so that I could install a 3rd OS.

Messy!

[shazza]

This may already have been posted (too tired to re-read), but noticed today that the GPU temp reading definitely captures the highest card:

[rge]

Realtemp works great in windows 7 64 bit. My XS bench score at 4.2ghz was same as in XP. Have EIST and C1E enabled, and power saving enabled in windows 7.

[unclewebb]

Thanks shazza. In the first screen shot you posted yesterday, GPU 1 was the hottest and RealTemp reported that temperature. In your second screen shot, GPU 2 is the hottest and RealTemp is reporting that one.

That means for RealTemp. It's working as intended.

rge: It's nice to know that when Windows 7 is released, I'll be able to take a break.

I was curious about one thing. If you leave your Minimum Processor State at 100%, does RealTemp report your multi floating somewhere around ~18.0? Usually this has to be dropped to about 50% to get Vista to keep your CPU down at the default idle multi of 12.0 when C1E and EIST are both enabled.

Edit: The XS Bench is directly proportional to MHz so if you bump your multi from 21.0 to 23.0 like when you ran your record XS Bench score, your Windows 7 time should drop from your current 8.681 seconds to (8.681 X 21.0 / 23.0) which equals 7.926 seconds. Are your Super PI mod times about the same with Vista 7 compared to XP? When I switched XP to Vista my 3D Mark 2001 score dropped like a rock but that was likely just a driver issue.

I added a couple of very minor features tonight. The ability to gather up the system tray icons if they've become separated during boot up and the ability of RealTemp to notice when you swap CPUs so it will automatically use the default TJMax for your new CPU. The XS types seem to have a habit of swapping CPUs and pretty much everything else on a regular basis.

I added an INI option a while ago so RealTemp should be able to read cores 4, 5, 6 and 7 on Dual CPU setups.

Skull=2

If anyone has a Skull Trail setup then try running two instances of RealTemp from two different directories with the first one set up with the Skull=1 INI option and the other one with Skull=2 in the INI file. If this works post a screen shot so I can get motivated to create an 8 core specific version of RealTemp. I have to get ready for when Intel releases 8 core / 16 thread Core i7 chips that might be compatible with the present Core i7 motherboards.

[shazza]

Thanks shazza. In the first screen shot you posted yesterday, GPU 1 was the hottest and RealTemp reported that temperature. In your second screen shot, GPU 2 is the hottest and RealTemp is reporting that one.

That means for RealTemp. It's working as intended.

Yep ... today was the first time I saw GPU2 as the hotter one, and was happy to see Real Temp was right on the money.

[rge]

4.2ghz windows 7 64bit, build 7000, currently 35 processes running (shutdown 6 useless peer to peer networking services and improved spi/XS secs from 9.98 to 9.796)
RT XS bench 8.675 secs
Superpi 9.796

4.2ghz windows XP sp3, 31 processes running
Realtemp XS bench 1688, 8.669 seconds
spi 9.735

EDit:
At default settings with EIST enabled +/- C1E, the multi initially bounces on ~19 (set at 21) for couple mins after reboot then usually goes to 12 and stays there (when i assume some background stuff quit running, though cpu is load 0 right after boot up). I manually changed power settings to cpu min 60% (from 5%) and the multi then sat at a steady 14 instead of steady 12. If put min processor power at 100%, it sits around 19 multi. With EIST disabled and C1E enabled, multi sat around 19-20.

Reboot time is 12 seconds faster with windows 7 though. Pretty good for a beta build.

Tested shutdown by cpu and gpu alarm exe on realtemp for windows 7, both worked perfect. So far have not found any realtemp bugs in windows 7.

[unclewebb]

Tested shutdown by cpu and gpu alarm exe on realtemp for windows 7, both worked perfect. So far have not found any realtemp bugs in windows 7.

Some things need repeating.

Now that RealTemp has the threads and cores sorted out, I plan to re-work my i7 Load Tester tool this week with a few more features to keep track of average load over a period of time. I noticed last night on my Q6600 that when running 3 threads of Prime, the OS or CPU moves the tasks around from core to core to balance the load but it seems like too much load is ending up on core0 and not enough on core3. That might help explain why core0 tends to be the hottest core. It will be interesting to see if Windows 7 is any different in spreading the tasks around compared to Vista. It's likely the CPU itself that controls this but we need an updated tool to do some testing!

[KURTZ]

hi folks, just a quick Q what's the tjmax of the new i7 (bloomfield)?

[The-Fox]

100c degrees.
It is written in Realtemp 2.90.

[unclewebb]

Intel finally got wise and started writing TJMax or TJ Target info into each Core i7 processor so RealTemp or any program can read this info without having to guess anymore.

The only issue now is whether TJMax is slightly higher than the TJ Target info that is stored in these processors. Technically speaking, it's still possible that TJMax could be a couple of degrees higher because Intel says that TJMax is not a fixed value.

[loonym]

unclewebb, what makes the little gpu report window pop up? I did it by accident and now I can't repeat it

[burebista]

Put your mouse under GPU temperature and when it's an arrow (or whatever your mouse pointer looks) wait a couple of seconds and that window will pop up.
Me too needs explanation from uncle to see that.

[unclewebb]

Only the XS crowd gets to know the secrets. You might have to wait 5 seconds for it to pop-up so be patient and drink plenty of coffee in the morning so your hand is steady!

[Brama]

drink plenty of coffee in the morning so your hand is steady!

Better without caffein, or the hand will be not steady enough.

[loonym]

Only the XS crowd gets to know the secrets. You might have to wait 5 seconds for it to pop-up so be patient and drink plenty of coffee in the morning so your hand is steady!

What other goodies do you have hidden in there?

[burebista]

AFAIK only date for Minimum and Maximum temperature.

[unclewebb]

About the only other secret I know of is the Anchor Position. Sometimes you have a bunch of junk on your screen and you want to see RealTemp but just not where it presently is. If you double right click on the GUI it should jump to a fixed position or an Anchor position. To set this position, drag RealTemp to where you want your Anchor position to be and then hold down the shift key and double right mouse click. Now, wherever RealTemp is, one double right mouse click and it will jump to your chosen anchor position. I think that's in the documentation somewhere.

I was just playing around with Windows 7 today. The only RealTemp issue is that the temperature icons are no longer in order in the system tray area. Win 7 randomly inserts them while XP and Vista inserts them one at a time in the correct order, core0, core1, core2, core3, gpu.

I can't think of a fix for this. Maybe Microsoft has some ideas.

[fgw]

uncle, pls check your e-mail!

[unclewebb]

Good news. fgw has been working hard at making a RivaTuner plug-in that is compatible with RealTemp's adjustable TJMax and Calibration factors.

I was a little worried at first but it's looking very good now.

Hopefully by the weekend it will be ready for some beta testing. As the screen shot shows, it works on Windows 7.

[Lsdmeasap]

No GPU readout here? Settings for it are also grayed out >>>



I know you have just started to get this working, so wondered if you could tell me why it is a no go for me. And just to let you know it is not working on my setup (Sapphire HD 3870 Toxic)

[003]

Good news. fgw has been working hard at making a RivaTuner plug-in that is compatible with RealTemp's adjustable TJMax and Calibration factors.

I was a little worried at first but it's looking very good now.

Hopefully by the weekend it will be ready for some beta testing. As the screen shot shows, it works on Windows 7.

unclewebb, I love realtemp, but with regards to releasing new versions, you need to set in stone the new features for each version, and not continue to add things as they come along. Otherwise, there will never be a new "final" release.

[unclewebb]

No GPU readout here? Settings for it are also grayed out I know you have just started to get this working, so wondered if you could tell me why it is a no go for me.

You could go back a few pages and read what I wrote when I first released this new feature:

I've added GPU Temperature monitoring to RealTemp but only if you're using an Nvidia card.

Only means only and I'm pretty sure that Nvidia doesn't make any AMD/ATI 3870 cards.

Don't worry, I'm looking into adding temps for ATI cards too. As you can see by my earlier post, I've been working with fgw on a RivaTuner plug-in. He's doing most of the work but I'm learning as we go along and I've also been looking into Windows 7 compatibility. All this stuff is important and all of it takes time.

If everyone that used RealTemp sent me $10 bucks then I could work much harder on this project. Hmmm, maybe not. With all that loot I'd probably go for a few of these and then nothing would get done!

Otherwise, there will never be a new "final" release.

Is this really a problem? As long as a program works great and you can come to XS and download a free version and I continue to improve it all the time then does it really matter if there is ever a "final" version?

The RivaTuner plug-in is mostly independent from RealTemp. You don't need to have RealTemp running while the plug-in and RivaTuner are drawing those nice green lines.

The features for 2.90 are 99.9% done. Calling it official isn't going to change anything.

[Lsdmeasap]

Ahh, Ok! Thanks! I do try to keep up with this thread, but I musta missed that!

No biggie here at all, just though I was helping add to the list of bugs, Guess I should have read back a few beforehand.

Thanks for the hard work man! I will try to keep more up on the thread as the new features are added/ironed out