Asus P6T / Rampage II Extreme: no "CPU VR Current Override" ???

[The-Fox]

Nehalem doesn't have half multies, but the Turbo mode has

BTW dinos, just watched your E8500/8800GT/790SLI OC video, nice soundtracks you got there :P Metallica - One and Eric Johnson - Cliffs of dover.
I guess I'll be watching more of your videos in the future :P

[Phil The Greek]

Awesome...thanks a bunch...I have been planning to put mine under dry ice later this month and was concerned about this...thanks for the report!

You are welcome
Hope you won't have a cold bug.Before testing my 920,I tested a 940chip that under dryice it could hardly boot windows @160bclock.Anything higher than that was chaos

[miahallen]

Yup, I got mine under water for the first time tonight and now I can give it 1.45V without throttling...with only air cooling, I could only give it about 1.4125V before the throttling began...I'm feeling much better about this setup now

[dinos22]

Nehalem doesn't have half multies, but the Turbo mode has

BTW dinos, just watched your E8500/8800GT/790SLI OC video, nice soundtracks you got there :P Metallica - One and Eric Johnson - Cliffs of dover.
I guess I'll be watching more of your videos in the future :P

[dejanh]

I just finished a quick subzero(dryice)test with my 920 on the R2E.The turbo mode stayed on even with 1.55vcore set in bios.It seams it has to do with the cpu temperature

Nobody reads the thread or other discussions on this from before? Yes it does have to do with amps, clocks, load, temps, etc. It is a combination of things. I've said this (now) over a month ago. Look at the Intel specification sheet for TurboBoost technology. It can be found earlier in this thread.

And yes, Asus needs to give us this option on the R2E. I don't care about P6T as that is a budget board so they can leave it as is...but if you buy an overclocking board, this is the least your would expect.

MSI and Intel boards have explicit functions to disable this. Gigabyte has it permanently disabled. Only dear Asus has it permanently enabled.

[IronWarrior]

So this is one of the boards am looking at, just to comfirm, the problems that everyone is having does not affect i7 965XE users right and we can still OC them over their default?

[miahallen]

You can OC all CPUs over the default...support for OCing the 965XE may be better than the lower chips, but AFAIK that hasn't been confirmed. I've successfully run SPI32M on my 920 at 4347MHz on air!

[Raadster]

Nobody reads the thread or other discussions on this from before? Yes it does have to do with amps, clocks, load, temps, etc. It is a combination of things. I've said this (now) over a month ago. Look at the Intel specification sheet for TurboBoost technology. It can be found earlier in this thread.

And yes, Asus needs to give us this option on the R2E. I don't care about P6T as that is a budget board so they can leave it as is...but if you buy an overclocking board, this is the least your would expect.

MSI and Intel boards have explicit functions to disable this. Gigabyte has it permanently disabled. Only dear Asus has it permanently enabled.

They should keep all their boards on par with giga boards, i wouldnt exactly call a p6t deluxe board for regular use only, its definitely classed as a overclocker.

[mikeyakame]

They should keep all their boards on par with giga boards, i wouldnt exactly call a p6t deluxe board for regular use only, its definitely classed as a overclocker.

Their bios engineers are probably too busy breaking memory compatibility for the sake of breaking DDR3 speed records to fix it

[cky2k6]

Their bios engineers are probably too busy breaking memory compatibility for the sake of breaking DDR3 speed records to fix it

the point is, there's barely anything to fix... these jackasses think that they can ignore anybody who buys their boards who isn't going to be using a 965 or ln2. afterall, they are asus, and no matter how much we quibble over this issue, the majority will keep buying this board completely oblivious to this issue, they're like nvidia in that they have the majority of the nubs convinced they are the best thing since sliced bread (not bashing nvidia, its just a result of their very good marketing). This is my first asus board, and if this is the kind of support they provide, then this is definitely my last. hopefully, we will at least get a bios mod for this, as again this issue must be about as simple of a fix as there is. There's no real variables, its just a switch that needs to be disabled, universally....

[The-Fox]

I have a friend with Gigabyte UD5 board for the X58, he can't even run x8 memory multiplier.
So nobody is perfect these days when the platform is still new and some issues are present, don't forget that.

[mikeyakame]

the point is, there's barely anything to fix... these jackasses think that they can ignore anybody who buys their boards who isn't going to be using a 965 or ln2. afterall, they are asus, and no matter how much we quibble over this issue, the majority will keep buying this board completely oblivious to this issue, they're like nvidia in that they have the majority of the nubs convinced they are the best thing since sliced bread (not bashing nvidia, its just a result of their very good marketing). This is my first asus board, and if this is the kind of support they provide, then this is definitely my last. hopefully, we will at least get a bios mod for this, as again this issue must be about as simple of a fix as there is. There's no real variables, its just a switch that needs to be disabled, universally....

Yeah you don't have to explain the situation to me I know it too well. Same goes for all their high end boards, we've had bugs and changes we want made on the Rampage Formula bios for too damn long and nothing gets done about them. Asus support forums are next to useless, Mods can't do much and there is no direct communication with engineers.

We need somebody who has contact with their bios engineering department to act as a middle man to communicate the problems to these engineers directly and keep busting their balls to get things done.

Asus has poor interdepartment communications which makes something which should be easy to relay a near impossibility

I'm still taking my time and holding out to buy a Rampage II because a) its not available in australia yet through local Asus subsidiary and nor is OCZ 1600 CL7 gold kit , and b) If their bios engineers can't get some simple things fixed that are more than a little annoying to put up with I might just buy a DFI board when its available instead. If they even made an attempt to fix things I wouldn't be hesitating and I'd have imported the board from the US already.

[mikeyakame]

I have a friend with Gigabyte UD5 board for the X58, he can't even run x8 memory multiplier.
So nobody is perfect these days when the platform is still new and some issues are present, don't forget that.

Nobody is perfect but we are talking fundamental problems, not automatic fan speed being stuck at 80% or CPU Voltage having too large steps way above the normal usage range. Gigabyte are at least trying hard to work out the bugs quickly and are listening to their communities and contacts about ideas and problems. Asus never have and doubt they ever will, all their engineers care about right now is BCLK and DDR3 world records they couldn't give a damn about their customers who paid the highest premium of all X58 boards, even though if it wasn't for them they'd sell at best 20% as much of them. You can bet alot of their time at the moment is being spent on the P6T6 rev bios since it will have a chance to break the 3DMark Vantage WR with Tri-SLI on 16x/16x/16x

[dejanh]

Their bios engineers are probably too busy breaking memory compatibility for the sake of breaking DDR3 speed records to fix it

Lol, yay Asus

[Chri$ch]

I have a friend with Gigabyte UD5 board for the X58, he can't even run x8 memory multiplier.

but this isn´t a problem by the UD5, it´s the cpu.

[hicookie]

I have a friend with Gigabyte UD5 board for the X58, he can't even run x8 memory multiplier.
So nobody is perfect these days when the platform is still new and some issues are present, don't forget that.

how come? besides, if your friend is using engineer sample of 920.

[hicookie]

but this isn´t a problem by the UD5, it´s the cpu.

most of 920 ES locked QPI and Memory divider,

[T_Flight]

Nobody is perfect but we are talking fundamental problems, not automatic fan speed being stuck at 80% or CPU Voltage having too large steps way above the normal usage range. Gigabyte are at least trying hard to work out the bugs quickly and are listening to their communities and contacts about ideas and problems. Asus never have and doubt they ever will, all their engineers care about right now is BCLK and DDR3 world records they couldn't give a damn about their customers who paid the highest premium of all X58 boards, even though if it wasn't for them they'd sell at best 20% as much of them. You can bet alot of their time at the moment is being spent on the P6T6 rev bios since it will have a chance to break the 3DMark Vantage WR with Tri-SLI on 16x/16x/16x

Maybe their engineers are listening and are implenting those things into these boards. After all, they hold more records than any other. That's the point. To be the best you have to beat the best, and for the last few years, and right now they have the best engineered boards around. Saying they aren't listening becasue one option isn;t in there that affects very few users is kinda silly. It doesn't affect max OC's or performance so it's not a big issue right now.

I'm more concerned about cold boot issues and DET RAM issues than this sillyness. This platform hasn't been released for very long at all. It's a lttle less than 2 months. People are already expecting to see the last thing on the important list before they even get compatibility and the bugs worked out.

For those that are *that* concerned about it, and absolutely must have max clocks all you gotta do is control the heat and turn off TM. That will bypass it right there. It ain;t for a beginner though...I hope people read that last part carefully becasue anyone who does this does it *knowing* they are bypassing their protection and needs to monitor their own temps and have the ability to cotrol the heat. It's not something I would do if your gonna walk away from it, of course max clocking isn't something to walk away from and leave running anyway.

The only people that would be concerned with this are people looking for all out record clocks. That's a very select few, becasue very few even have the ability to get clocks like that or the CPU's that will do it.

[Raadster]

Maybe their engineers are listening and are implenting those things into these boards. After all, they hold more records than any other. That's the point. To be the best you have to beat the best, and for the last few years, and right now they have the best engineered boards around. Saying they aren't listening becasue one option isn;t in there that affects very few users is kinda silly. It doesn't affect max OC's or performance so it's not a big issue right now.

I'm more concerned about cold boot issues and DET RAM issues than this sillyness. This platform hasn't been released for very long at all. It's a lttle less than 2 months. People are already expecting to see the last thing on the important list before they even get compatibility and the bugs worked out.

For those that are *that* concerned about it, and absolutely must have max clocks all you gotta do is control the heat and turn off TM. That will bypass it right there. It ain;t for a beginner though...I hope people read that last part carefully becasue anyone who does this does it *knowing* they are bypassing their protection and needs to monitor their own temps and have the ability to cotrol the heat. It's not something I would do if your gonna walk away from it, of course max clocking isn't something to walk away from and leave running anyway.

The only people that would be concerned with this are people looking for all out record clocks. That's a very select few, becasue very few even have the ability to get clocks like that or the CPU's that will do it.

Seems like you don't get it do ya, the people looking to get all out records are using ln2. The heat is more then controlled and they don't have to worry about throttling back with turbo.

The issue is affecting their bread and butter customer which is the 24/7 overclocker, we miss out on x1 multi for nothing because they are too lazy to implement a basic function, or more like disable it.

Hell it even affects the people who don't overclock and leave everything on stock with stock cooler, its just that these people wouldn't even know what turbo, let alone the fact that it will throttle back.

[cky2k6]

raadster put it well, and in addition, the 20 multi is totally worthless around 200 bclock for me. I have to run 19 to get stability.

[dinos22]

dinos if you got a good relationship with anyone from asus, can you contact those peeps to kick them in the ass and they get on this.

i know some ppl but not sure i have any pull at all
asus is a tough nut to crack lol

[Raadster]

i know some ppl but not sure i have any pull at all
asus is a tough nut to crack lol

Shoot them an email saying that you wanna write up a review for the board but this throttling issue looks really bad and will hurt their image in the review, as other rival boards are better for overclockers atm.

either that or your getting throttling and your going for a record and its holding you back from putting their board at number 1.

[The-Fox]

how come? besides, if your friend is using engineer sample of 920.

Its a retail i920, not ES.
I really don't think its the CPU as X8 multi is quite low.
and it seems he is getting it at all bclk speeds, though I am not sure.

I for instance can't run x10 multi for the Dram above 190 blck which is obviously the limit of the IMC on the CPU.

[T_Flight]

Seems like you don't get it do ya, the people looking to get all out records are using ln2. The heat is more then controlled and they don't have to worry about throttling back with turbo.

The issue is affecting their bread and butter customer which is the 24/7 overclocker, we miss out on x1 multi for nothing because they are too lazy to implement a basic function, or more like disable it.

Hell it even affects the people who don't overclock and leave everything on stock with stock cooler, its just that these people wouldn't even know what turbo, let alone the fact that it will throttle back.

So then why are you worried about it? That's my point. If you're not getting max clocks then why are you worried about a single Multiplier? Bump the BClk. If it won't then you've walled out and call it a day. Is that extra Multi giving you anything? Unless you are doing Extreme OC'ing it's not. It's funny that I don't seem to be having any issues with this. My OC is stable, it's high enough to run anything, and it ain't melting down.

I'm still trying to figure out what you guys think this is gonna do for you.

[SetteUltras]

So then why are you worried about it? That's my point. If you're not getting max clocks then why are you worried about a single Multiplier? Bump the BClk. If it won't then you've walled out and call it a day. Is that extra Multi giving you anything? Unless you are doing Extreme OC'ing it's not. It's funny that I don't seem to be having any issues with this. My OC is stable, it's high enough to run anything, and it ain't melting down.

I'm still trying to figure out what you guys think this is gonna do for you.

the "single" multi for 920 owners is much more important than your "single" multi of unlocked 965 :p