Quote Originally Posted by Daveburt714 View Post
Cybercat: You seem like a bright an rational guy. I'll be honest I'm not really a big gamer, to me my favorite game is pushing hardware to it's edge and still keeping it stable...

As for the $100k thing, building a PhII system will be substantially cheaper than building an equivelant Intel system. Especially for people who already have boards that can use it as a drop in replacement.

Although I appreciate all the work OverClocker_gr @ HWBOX and the Greek guys have done I get the feeling that they don't really know how to tweak the PhII to make it shine. So before we start calling PhII a Non-competative and inadequate product with little monetary value, why don't we wait for the XS AMD folks who know how to tweak Phenoms get their hands on them and start posting results.

I'm not calling you a troll, but to call the PhII a "lame duck" based on the limited availabilty of the chip is a little out of line IMO...

Honestly, even Overclocker_gr's reviews show the chip to be quite competitve...
No, it's not significantly cheaper. You can either get a P2 920 with a pricey motherboard (if you want good features) or you can get a Q9300 with a cheaper motherboard. All other stuff the same, the Intel system ends up slightly cheaper the way I've priced it all out, assuming the 920 ends up at the ideal price of $230 as it's supposed to.

Then there's the IPC discrepancy and power consumption issue. What sort of tweaking is supposed to make all the disadvantages melt away?