Quote Originally Posted by Zucker2k View Post
Dave, while what you're saying is definitely something the powers that be are free to consider, the level of intolerance in this section of the forums is alarming, to say the least. The FACT of the matter is that, PII is reviewed against other processors, and even if it were not, why can't any enthusiast point out comparisons if there are any? Ultimately, the success or not so much of PII is going to be judged against a benchmark, be it PI or other quadcores from the Intel camp. As far as I'm concerned, anybody, and I mean anybody who doesn't have anything nice to say about phenom is automatically labeled in this section of the forums. It's sad indeed. I mean can't we have a discussion based on facts? Take what Shintai said for example, the allusion to Via was not made out of thin air, but rather AMD's competitiveness with reference to its own roadmap. Again, let me say it: the allusion was made based on fact. There may be a little exxageration in there, but the trend lately points to a fast move towards gagging other members with rights to post in this section. I mean they have gone so far as having threads moved from the news section to the AMD section in order to gag anyone with a different opinion, opinion based on test results. It's a sad day in XS!
Seems for all your wisdom you stil havent realised that you are not discussing performance of the Phenom II. Intolerance you say .... Ok move along. See the link saying "log out" ? Thats intolerance.

See your signiture ? Totlerating that is one thing.
See your text ? Tolerating that is another.

What to say about Phenom I or II.

Its Cheap upgrade for AMD owners.
Its is competatvie.
Its platform performance is quite decent.
But we know this already.







Look fowared to the Deneb Vs Agena Reviews BenchZowner
Any power tests (Watts consumed) Undervolting test would be interesting also. I Plan on doing some myself. My 9850 happily runs at 1.25v stock speed and 1.05v @ 1.2ghz
Finding infomation regarding deneb & Agena comparing power consupmtion Overclocked and underclocked is hard to find.

One thing i hope deneb will change is the current attitude of larger hardware review websites, to focus more on various platforms rather then review all the latest and greatest on Intel Hardware. I cant really remember the last time game reviews were done on copetiting platforms with idetical GPUS for the majoirty of reviews.