ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe discussion

[Leeghoofd]

no prob I have 2Gb PC12800 C8 rams; so 500FSB X 8 plz and the ram at 1600MHZ C8-8-8-24 PL9... it's no competition for highest bandwith or such, I just want something to compare this board too for daily use...

[kaskuli]

I used some of your subtimings from your previous post, copied off your on-screen memset... one of my hyperpi threads gave me 'not exact in round' even with moderate juice to the key components. Wouldn't even post at 1.25 VCore... Anyway, if you would like a more accurate comparison, we can try to make test conditions more uniform, I'm interested, and I've been eying that board of yours for a while, even though it has no WI-FI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coulsond]

Hi Everyone.

I am trying desperately to get this board stable. I have just built a new pc using the asus P5Q3 Deluxe wifi board and Corsair TW3X4G1333C9DHX (2x2gb sticks). I am trying to install Vista 64bit and have had loads of problems.
I initially used bios 1201 which was a nightmare. I then used 1609 and played around with it using advice on this thread and now I have 1702.

with the original bios it was crashing big style. At that point I set the DRAM frequency to DDR3-1333 and the timings to 9-9-9-24. I set the DRAM voltage to 1.6 then 1.7v

I have read through this forum and tried the things mentioned but I cannot stop my pc from rebooting.

once the bios's were updated I got vista on, when I put 1702 on I left everything on auto as I was getting nowhere changing the different timings etc. Now I am getting reboots within the os.

I was just wondering what the best setting are for the 1702 BIOS for this corsair memory. I am not interested in OC'ing yet I just want it stable!

any help would be greatly appreciated as I am going nuts!!

[thorgal]

Hi Everyone.

I am trying desperately to get this board stable. I have just built a new pc using the asus P5Q3 Deluxe wifi board and Corsair TW3X4G1333C9DHX (2x2gb sticks). I am trying to install Vista 64bit and have had loads of problems.
I initially used bios 1201 which was a nightmare. I then used 1609 and played around with it using advice on this thread and now I have 1702.

with the original bios it was crashing big style. At that point I set the DRAM frequency to DDR3-1333 and the timings to 9-9-9-24. I set the DRAM voltage to 1.6 then 1.7v

I have read through this forum and tried the things mentioned but I cannot stop my pc from rebooting.

once the bios's were updated I got vista on, when I put 1702 on I left everything on auto as I was getting nowhere changing the different timings etc. Now I am getting reboots within the os.

I was just wondering what the best setting are for the 1702 BIOS for this corsair memory. I am not interested in OC'ing yet I just want it stable!

any help would be greatly appreciated as I am going nuts!!

Are you on stock NB voltage ? If so, up that a little, as my review sample was also unstable at stock NB.

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...28&articID=860

[coulsond]

I am on stock voltage. when you say up it a little, is that by one increment in the bios? by far running on auto with BIOS 1702 is the most stable, by that I mean it is still crashing intermittently, whereas if I tinker on by setting teh DRAM to its correct DDR3-1333 and timings of 9-9-9-24 and dram voltage of 1.6v or 1.7v I am lucky to get into the OS at all. I am not really an overclocker but undterstand memory timings, I am just pretty clueless as to how set up this motherboard to make it stable.

I have noticed something else too. when set to auto the ram is picked up as DDR3-1066. It is defintely not, unless it was badged wrongly at corsair. Here is a pic of my pc with everything set to auto....



but when I change it to DDR3-1333, 9-9-9-24 with 1.6v. Memset is telling me the memory is being overclocked by 25%. Of course this could be normal as I am not sure on what it should be. Just want it to stop crashing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I tried to get another screen shot with these settings but it crashes everytime I try capture the screen (or even before)

[coulsond]

I finally managed to get a screen shot with the the folowing changes:
DRAM Frequency: DDR3-1333
timings 9-9-9-24
dram voltage: 1.7v
I tinkered around with the nb voltage, 1.1, 1.12, 1.18, 1.2 and didn't make any difference.

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[thorgal]

I finally managed to get a screen shot with the the folowing changes:
DRAM Frequency: DDR3-1333
timings 9-9-9-24
dram voltage: 1.7v
I tinkered around with the nb voltage, 1.1, 1.12, 1.18, 1.2 and didn't make any difference.

[IMG][/IMG]

You're on a quad core, so I would increase the NB voltage a little more still, up to 1.3V, even 1.4V. Your ram shouldn't be the problem at 1.7V, but I'd try to get some stability first at 1066Mhz, to rule everything out. The "spd" settings of your ram are 1066Mhz at JEDEC specs, i.e. 1.5V, that's why it is picked up like that when you're on auto settings. No need to worry about that.

[coulsond]

thanks for that I will give it a try.

can I ask why it is picked up at 1066 by the spd, when it is supposed to be 1333? I will try your suggestions I hopefully get a stable machine. Is there anything else on this board that could affect stability?

thanks

[Leeghoofd]

Disable Static Read control, that should help too, maybe clock twister to Light

The Jedec specs help your system to boot with the ram and everything at auto eg my PC12800 kit has got Jedec PC10700 9-9-9-24 1.5V while they are foreseen to run at PC12800 8-8-8-24 1.9v... this is why you need to set ram voltage and timings yaself... it allows you to boot but with some combinations that's just how far it goes and manual intervention is needed...

[MarkJohnson]

thanks for that I will give it a try.

can I ask why it is picked up at 1066 by the spd, when it is supposed to be 1333? I will try your suggestions I hopefully get a stable machine. Is there anything else on this board that could affect stability?

thanks

Yeah, those things boot at 1066 because DDR3 memory is designed to boot at 1.5v and those are your 1.5v setting. This helps ensure that memory sticks will work on any motherboard. I had the same issue with my OCZ DDR3 1800, they booted at 1333 @ 6-6-6-18 1T timings. Once I got them to 1.9v 1800 @ 8-8-8-24 2T all was fine.

Good Luck
-=Mark=-

[Amurtigress]

I am on stock voltage. when you say up it a little, is that by one increment in the bios? by far running on auto with BIOS 1702 is the most stable, by that I mean it is still crashing intermittently, whereas if I tinker on by setting teh DRAM to its correct DDR3-1333 and timings of 9-9-9-24 and dram voltage of 1.6v or 1.7v I am lucky to get into the OS at all. I am not really an overclocker but undterstand memory timings, I am just pretty clueless as to how set up this motherboard to make it stable.

I have noticed something else too. when set to auto the ram is picked up as DDR3-1066. It is defintely not, unless it was badged wrongly at corsair. Here is a pic of my pc with everything set to auto....

but when I change it to DDR3-1333, 9-9-9-24 with 1.6v. Memset is telling me the memory is being overclocked by 25%. Of course this could be normal as I am not sure on what it should be. Just want it to stop crashing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I tried to get another screen shot with these settings but it crashes everytime I try capture the screen (or even before)

Hi,

try setting tRRD to something between 7 and 10. I deeply believe ASUS screwed that efault value of 5 up, taking it straight from the P5Q DDR2 BIOS.

Additionally, try setting tRFC to 82 or 88.

That should do it if it's the memory, and not the GTL bus acting up. I am using a Q9550 E0 myself...

[Leeghoofd]

AUTO tells 5 in the bios but it's not 5 at all, not even with the DDR2's noone can run pl 5 on the P5Q Dlx

[thorgal]

AUTO tells 5 in the bios but it's not 5 at all, not even with the DDR2's noone can run pl 5 on the P5Q Dlx

Indeed, I believe base is PL7 on stock settings if I recall correctly, but I don't own the board any more...

[Leeghoofd]

Indeed, I believe base is PL7 on stock settings if I recall correctly, but I don't own the board any more...

HAIL MASTER, me not worthy !! Not a chance to get some good 2GB DDR3 kit to get the max out of my board Thorsten ? You get them back with some nice chocolates :p

[thorgal]

HAIL MASTER, me not worthy !! Not a chance to get some good 2GB DDR3 kit to get the max out of my board Thorsten ? You get them back with some nice chocolates :p

Don't overdo it , you're far more experienced than I am on this board

On the DDR3: no prob Albrecht, if you can wait a little longer till I got another review kit inbound to use on my main rig (should be in the next 2 weeks).

Edit : think I'm wrong : it's PL6, at least that's what I wrote down here

[Amurtigress]

Don't overdo it , you're far more experienced than I am on this board

On the DDR3: no prob Albrecht, if you can wait a little longer till I got another review kit inbound to use on my main rig (should be in the next 2 weeks).

Edit : think I'm wrong : it's PL6, at least that's what I wrote down here

Thorgal,

to my experiences, the PL is one of the screwed up defaults. I just flashed 1702 and saw again that it was defaulting to 5. Most current memory modules will not run with less than 9, and only get stable at 11. Try that if everything else fails.

[Leeghoofd]

Do you read that out in MemSet in windows or do you read the 5 in the bios PL ? my least FSB was 400FSB and lowest there was 7 depending on divider/strap selected..

[Amurtigress]

Do you read that out in MemSet in windows or do you read the 5 in the bios PL ? my least FSB was 400FSB and lowest there was 7 depending on divider/strap selected..

In the BIOS itself. I cannot boot my system with automatic defaults at all, despite using 4x1 GB Corsair DDR3-1600 DHX CL9 modules. So the memset value I am setting manually will always be the same in the BIOS and Memset as soon as I set one manually.

However, nothing below PL9 lets me post, and 9 and 10 aren't stable.

About the same as my DDR2-800 RAM on my previous maximus formula board, so I am not very surprised.

[masterchan777]

Tried 1702 and the default values will make the system unstable, Vista won't even boot , but with 1702 I am now on 1800Mhz with PL7 8-8-8-20 Strong tweaking everything else is default, and the system is stable , I am using C2Q9550 with 2X2gb G.Skill PI 1600 .

[Ironholder]

Hello!

I also have this board P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP.
I'm trying to get it stable at 1600MHz FSB with OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum Enhanced Bandwidth Edition with timings 7-7-6-24.
Everything is on auto/ default except DRAM frequency, whish is set to 1600MHz and this auto overclocks the FSB on the CPU (Q9450) to 1600MHz.
With timings 7-7-6-24 it freezes randomly, can work great for hours and sometimes even days but eventually it freezes.
I have tried raising the CPU voltage to 1.35 and it still the same thing.
About the NorthBridge voltage I have tried 1.2V at most and that didn't help either, and now both are on Auto
Do I dare to go any higher with the NB and CPU voltage?

Anyone else with the same hardware?

When timings are set on Auto everything is working.
Auto is 9-9-9-24

BIOS 1702

Also, I have removed the old RAM coolers and added Thermalright HR-07 Duo


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Edit:
I figured it out, I think
My final set is
CPU Ratio 8.0 (Q9450 with Thermalright Ultra 120)
DRAM frequency 1600MHz with 7-7-6-24 timings and 1.9V (As it should be)
NB and SB to 1.3V

Everything else is on Auto.
Good enough for now, I'll read more about overclocking P45 when I get more free time.

My main goal was to get the right memory speed and timings along with 1600MHz FSB.

[modderwannabe]

try NB 1.4, SB 1.3, Dram 1.92/94, try loosen ram timings ... Good Luck ... read previous posts in here it helps alot

[Ironholder]

As I edited before you replied, you maybe didn't see it.
My goal was the memory speed and the right timings.

It's working now, and Everest stability test gives no errors, the CPU temp never goes over 42 Celsius.
Good enough for me.
About SB, I had it on 1.20V.
No need set DRAM over 1.9 since it's working and not recommended over 1.9V


Edit:
Changed NB and SB to 1.3V

[Dami3n]

I have a friend with this board and he can´t reflash it with older bios. He is using the 1702 and wants to go back to 1406. He tried afudos and ezflash with no success.
Any trick?

[Amurtigress]

You can either use an engineering version of AFUDOS and use certain commandline switches in DOS....

To find that, check out the Maximus Formula to Rampage crossflashing thread, or:

Flash the board again with the 1702 in the BIOS , and as the board erases the first portion of the BIOS ROM, turn the power off.

WARNING. This corrupts the BIOS and enforces an emergency flash mode.

You MUST have a bootable media ready then with the 1403 BIOS on it and it has to have a certain filename to be recognized. You can for example put one on a USB memory stick or a flash card in a flash reader.

The emergency flasher accepts floppies, CD or DVD media, and flash media.

Floppies are totally useless, the BIOS is 2 MB big and doesn't fit on a 1.44 MB HD floppy.

DVDs or CDs never worked for me except for the DVD that came with the board.

What worked for me before was a USB memory stick and a SD card holding the image file, using a MP3 player as cardreader.

Be extremely careful when doing anything that involves intentional corruption of the BIOS. It will render your system unusable for example if you don't have a flashable BIOS image at hand, OR if the BIOS image you want to use is TOO OLD to support your currently installed processor! (Been there, had the issue, back on my Maximus Formula when I upgraded to a Q9300! good that I still had my e6600 lying around!)

I'm crossing fingers tho.

[neo_x]

Hi Guys,

Back after a while. I've got a matched pair of 2GB ram now (TW3X4G1333C9DHX) for this motherboard, and still not happy.

Here is what I've done so far.

Individually, the modules go through 16-25 passes of memtest without errors.

I've installed vista with only one module, and tested it with prime95 quad core edition, it went on for 7 hours without any problems.

Now, here is the strange part. The module with which I installed vista, was placed in the orange slot closest to the cpu.

Both modules are a matched pair, and identical right ? (the stickers also show they have the same rev yadda yadda).

Now, here is the wierd part - I remove the first module, put the second module in its' place, boot vista - here is what happens:

1. I get a blue screen of death, and the screen goes away very quickly, so fast that I can't read anything, and the pc reboots.

2. Sometimes its so fast that I don't even get a bsod - it just reboots.

3. At other times it just freezes.


Remove this module, put the first module back in, vista boots, no problems. Is there a problem with the 2nd ram module??? Despite passing *£$(*£!! memtest????

Here are my settings when testing individual modules (I don't even want to talk about using them together in vista - I've got a very strange problem on my hands).

Intel Q9550
P5Q3 Deluxe Wifi @n rev 1.02G
BIOS 1702
HIS HD 4870
Coolermaster 750W
Samsung SATA dvd rom
WDC AAKS 250GB SATA harddisk
Samsung T220 Digital
Vista Ultimate x64 NON SP1
Latest Motherboard drivers installed from Asus
Latest Catalyst (8.12)
Latest Samsung Digital Drivers
All else default windows software

Bios settings:


Ai OVerclocking Tuner = Manual
CPU Ratio Setting = 8.5
FSB Frequency = 333
PCIE Frequency = 100
FSB Strap to North Bridge = 333
DRAM Frequency = DDR3-1333MHz
Dram CLK Skew on Channel A1 = Auto
Dram CLK Skew on Channel A2 = Auto
Dram CLK Skew on Channel B1 = Auto
Dram CLK Skew on Channel B2 = Auto
Dram TIming Control = Manual

Primary Information

CAS# Latency = 9 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS #Delay = 9 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge = 9 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge = 24 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay = Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time = Auto
Write Recovery Time = Auto
Read to Precharge Time = Auto

Secondary Information

Read to Write Delay (S/D) = Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) = Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) = Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) = Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) = Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) = Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) = Auto

Third Information

WRITE to PRE delay = Auto
READ to PRE delay = Auto
PRE to PRE delay = Auto
ALL PRE to ACT delay = Auto
ALL PRE to RED Delay = Auto
DRAM Static Read Control = Auto
DRAM Dynamic Write Control = Auto
DRAM Read Training = Auto
DRAM Write Training = Auto
MEM. OC Charger = Auto
Ai Clock Twister = Auto
Ai Transaction Booster = Auto

Voltages

CPU Voltage = Auto
CPU GTL Voltage Reference(0/2) = Auto
CPU GTL Voltage Reference(1/3) = Auto
CPU PLL Voltage = Auto
FSB Termination Voltage = Auto
DRAM Voltage = 1.6v
NB Voltage = Auto
NB GTL Reference = Auto
SB Voltage = Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage = Auto

Load-Line Calibration = Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
CPU Clock Skew = Auto
NB Clock Skew = Auto
CPU Margin Enhancement = Optimized