AMD Phenom II cpl questions

[Glow9]

#1 any idea on price
#2 based on what we have seen with numbers/ super pi and such what is Deneb on par with? What current Intel processor.
^-- NOT STARTING A FIGHT. Just figuring out what would be a cheaper upgrade path for myself

[Caveman787]

Glow9 how dare you say the word intel in this forum....omg now I said it *gets under the axe*

But seriously, I'm not sure anyone know's the numbers from what we've seen have been from beating i7 down to barely competing with q6600.

I feel like it's gonna be between penryn and i7 because for amd to stay afloat they need the good price/performance card up their sleeve like with the ati 4000 series.

[demonkevy666]

skip the superPI. I think you can putt in slightly above york field and slightly behind in some cases.

[roofsniper]

i would guess that the price would be no more than $300 but $200 would be a sweet spot.

for performance as i have said many times before no one has a clear and definite answer. no matter what people say unless they have used a deneb processor there is no way to tell. theres not much longer to wait until benchmarks are released and i would wait until then before making any speculations.

[Firestrider]

I don't see why people use SuperPI as a benchmark nowadays.

SuperPI favors a single thread with a small/fast L1 cache because of the size of the working set, plus there are faster algorithms and computational design techniques for calculating PI to 1,000,000 digits... QuickPI implementing them.

I'd say look at the real world benchmarks on applications that people actually use on a day to day basis instead of these.

[Glow9]

I don't see why people use SuperPI as a benchmark nowadays.

SuperPI favors a single thread with a small/fast L1 cache because of the size of the working set, plus there are faster algorithms and computational design techniques for calculating PI to 1,000,000 digits... QuickPI implementing them.

I'd say look at the real world benchmarks on applications that people actually use on a day to day basis instead of these.

tell that to the guys testing their Phenoms II with it

[MomijiTMO]

I just want oodles of game benches since that's probably the only thing I'll get a kick out of.

I hope Deneb is on par with Penryn.

[Gener_AL (UK)]

tell that to the guys testing their Phenoms II with it

this is so they can compare new apples to old apples (deneb <> agena)

superpi is not for comparing orange to mango (core2q <> IDT Winchip 200)

[gOtVoltage]

this is so they can compare new apples to old apples (deneb <> agena)

superpi is not for comparing orange to mango (core2q <> IDT Winchip 200)

Exactly,,

SuPi comes in handy to See whats gained/lossed when i raise the NB higher or Lower and use higher freqencies on the Same System and not between Two differnt platforms.

Now using it Comparing the B3 to Deneb and using Pi can be a Usefull since its a good indication of how it will scale on the same type of AMD sytems. Given the NewCPU will be used with same type of Ram and types of Mobos for AM2/AM2+.

Thats about all id use it for. NOT to COMPARE I to A

[Firestrider]

True it's comparing apples to apples but its comparing them using a bad method. No one needs improvements in SuperPI.

[Jazzman]

Well, you asked for a benchmark in the AMD forum so here it is from a participant at the Boston AMD event.

.....Lastly, it's important to mention that in the Core i7 965 system vs Phenom II 940 BE Crysis comparison, I was able to verify that both systems were running the exact same graphical settings, with the same cards. Phenom II had 4GB of ram, dual channel while the Core i7 had 3GB in triple channel on an X58 Intel reference board. The Phenom II had higher frame rates throughout the majority of the gameplay.

[Glow9]

Exactly,,

SuPi comes in handy to See whats gained/lossed when i raise the NB higher or Lower and use higher freqencies on the Same System and not between Two differnt platforms.

Now using it Comparing the B3 to Deneb and using Pi can be a Usefull since its a good indication of how it will scale on the same type of AMD sytems. Given the NewCPU will be used with same type of Ram and types of Mobos for AM2/AM2+.

Thats about all id use it for. NOT to COMPARE I to A

None the less those comparisons to the old have been done against Intel already meaning you can compare the new to Intel as well.

[Ghostbuster]

Look what THG brought in We Overclock Phenom II to 4.9GHz plus SuperPi result

[Rammsteiner]

As others already said, leave SuperPI, seriously.

I expect PhII to be around Yorkfield. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower. I guess at this point IMC and HT will help PhII slightly over Yorkfield.

Maybe for gaming it might be close to i7, but dont quote me on that. Reason I think this is that i7 doesnt have this huge advantage over Yorkfield in gaming and most important, i7 was mainly meant to get Intel back in the server market and not to enlarge gamers e-peens

Since it takes still quite a while for i5 to be released I think PhII does have a certain chance to compete strongly with that, at least in performance. Some people said i5 would be cheap, but whether it's cheap compared to i7 or just cheap

But to be honest, it comes down a bit what other parts you're looking to get. There are very cheap Intel boards (for skt 775), but for the same price you got top boards from AMD. However, there's a certain quality difference between top Intel and AMD boards.

[Rammsteiner]

Look what THG brought in We Overclock Phenom II to 4.9GHz plus SuperPi result

http://media.bestofmicro.com/V/J/172...nal/4gopti.png

Very nice

Just a shame of the poor RAM and NB settings though. But well, in order to compare it you cant have countless different RAM and NB settings. Quite curious though how it would be with some better tweaking

[soundood]

#1 any idea on price
#2 based on what we have seen with numbers/ super pi and such what is Deneb on par with? What current Intel processor.
^-- NOT STARTING A FIGHT. Just figuring out what would be a cheaper upgrade path for myself

hi there glow,

you ahve a real knack of making threads that already have the answer(s) elsewhere in the forum, the cost of Phenom has been discussed, (you included)

and as for on a par with, pfff

pleaseeee

[Glow9]

hi there glow,

you ahve a real knack of making threads that already have the answer(s) elsewhere in the forum, the cost of Phenom has been discussed, (you included)

and as for on a par with, pfff

pleaseeee

I haven't heard anything written in stone. Who went to the AMD shin dig in Chicago?

[Russ_64]

OP's #1 question was price - indications in UK are that the 920 will be just below 200GBP and the 940BE just under 250GBP and given the comparision quoted above the 940BE is on a par with the i7-965 which costs around 875GBP (ie. triple the price before adding new MB and DDR3) - I say that is the best deal of the decade

[gallag]

OP's #1 question was price - indications in UK are that the 920 will be just below 200GBP and the 940BE just under 250GBP and given the comparision quoted above the 940BE is on a par with the i7-965 which costs around 875GBP (ie. triple the price before adding new MB and DDR3) - I say that is the best deal of the decade

So the 940be is going to be on par with a i7-965?

[Firestrider]

OP's #1 question was price - indications in UK are that the 920 will be just below 200GBP and the 940BE just under 250GBP and given the comparision quoted above the 940BE is on a par with the i7-965 which costs around 875GBP (ie. triple the price before adding new MB and DDR3) - I say that is the best deal of the decade

Don't we wish!

AMD putting pricing pressure on Intel like they did to Nvidia.

[Rammsteiner]

So the 940be is going to be on par with a i7-965?

Nah, the 965 fails cause of its price

[MomijiTMO]

It's priced like that because enough people still buy it .

I wonder how the 920 will be priced.

[G0ldBr1ck]

So the 940be is going to be on par with a i7-965?

in gaming it will according to the benchmarks.

[chew*]

@ glow 9 if you can wait wait for am3

[gallag]

in gaming it will according to the benchmarks.

What benchmarks?