Phenom II X4 @ +6 GHz by Team Finland

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You did say "The power draw is very good even with the "higher" than usual def."... That's why I find it amusing.

Anyway, I do suspect the gates are quite thick at 45nm which is why Vcore is much higher also lower leakage (higher R). Maybe that way its able to tolerate higher voltages.

Yeah but it was in the context of "safe" Vcore,which we are trying to debate on.Not the power draw numbers which indeed are good.If one good air cooler can cool down Phenom I 9950 rated at 140W as absolute max TDP while being overvolted to 1.55V(from 1.3V default) and OCed to 3.2-3.3Ghz[power draw would be ~220-240W as absolute worst case scenario] ,you can be sure Shanghai/Deneb will be also cooled by the same cooler even if it was running at ~1.55V and 4Ghz OC.The point is now that stock Vcore is even higher ,power draw dropped due to physics of thansistors at smaller node.1.55V is just 14% over stock and is not that much for an air cooling device to control it.

He responded to my post...

And he was correct since he spoke about Vcore difference...

Guys stop ruining the thread with your phatetic discussions about voltage, this is XS ffs, you shouldn't be worrying about this category, I would personally use as much vcore that shows a benefit in the OC, 0.1v increase for 100MHz isn't a reasonable reason to go further for example (unless pushing for records that is).

Looks like Phenom II will offer lots of fun for LN2 users. First time I've seen an AMD liking cold this much, that's incredible that you can just fill the whole pot without worrying about freezing! xD

Hyvää työtä Sampsa & SF3D ja muut!

Sorry for that,but some people wanted to know what's considered "safe" 24/7 Vcore for air cooling.I gave my opinion,it may be i'm wrong .For definite answer we need thorough report from independent review (temperatures reported in OCed mode) and we need AMD's tech docs .