Retail AMD Phenom II X4 (Deneb) OC spotted

[metro.cl]

since when we started believing software for temps? even more with unreleased products that most of the time dont have full software support.

Temps are not important you just need to know MHz headroom

[Calmatory]

I agree, the results thus far suggest the "leaked" amd shots are monstrous one of a kind cherry chips. That or 4.6ghz+ requires ln2 or a 3 stage cascade, which means although good chips, just match intel. Not bad and it means competition to the average joe who is not going core i7.

However the lack of "leaked"(everything has been leaked already) game benchmarks I think is a sign that, game performance is lacking.

How is game performance lacking? It is basically the same as the old Phenom performance, with some improvements.

People should get that the BIG thing about Phenom II/Deneb is indeed the OC and power draw, not the performance gains really. Only slight gains over Phenom. ...until the overclocking steps in and all the tables roll over and turn upside down due to great OC capabilities.

AMD will be showing off their stuff in few hours at San Fran. If they had something to hide, they would not hold these events.

All the leaks have possibly been more or less under NDA, and only good few people have guts to show stuff at all. Besides, usually it is Intel and Nvidia that leak stuff, AMD keeps everything so secret that even their CEO barely knows what's going on...

AMD wants people to talk. Talk about Phenom II. Thus the small leaks here and there.

since when we started believing software for temps? even more with unreleased products that most of the time dont have full software support.

Temps are not important you just need to know MHz headroom

At least for me load temps matter quite a bit. It directly correlates with the power draw, which then has it's small influence in the power bill and temperature of the other components in the case. It also gives some insight about the quality of the stock cooler and max oc with it. Idle temps, useless...

[ownage]

At least for me load temps matter quite a bit. It directly correlates with the power draw, which then has it's small influence in the power bill and temperature of the other components in the case. It also gives some insight about the quality of the stock cooler and max oc with it. Idle temps, useless...

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

[hstuehmeyer2000]

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

the e6600 runs hotter because it has 2 more meg. of cache

[Calmatory]

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

AFAIK the temp readings were taken with a board with AMD chipset, AMD CPU, and the software was provided by AMD. Can't talk about "unreleased hardware", when the chipset and software teams have been toying with each other for months prior to this, and Deneb is basically Agena with optimizations and bigger L3, shouldn't be too tricky to get everything working.

But yeah, cool chip with 125 W TDP. I doubt it.

[AbelJemka]

However the lack of "leaked"(everything has been leaked already) game benchmarks I think is a sign that, game performance is lacking.

Interesting conclusion based on...based on what?

[Tonucci]

nice.. interesting.. wats clock for clock comparison with corei7 ? anyone got any info on that ?

Looks like they are like 10% faster than phenoms (kinda matching initial kenthsfields), so the biggest difference is in OC potential.

If everything goes well like it seems, they will be competitive in price/oc/performance

[TurboDiv]

I feel clock for clock this is going to come out equal in performance to Yorkfield since its just an optimization of older technology. We can't expect miracles when you think about it realistically. I sure hope so its on par with i7 but I'm skeptical at this moment since there is not much from AMD about its performance in clock for clock terms- YES it clocks like SEX but how about that clock for clock situation ?

[Calmatory]

Based on Shanghai results the IPC improvement can be from 5 to 10 %. So, take Agena results, multiply with the OC you want out from the Deneb and there you are. The IPC improvement will compensate the fact that no OC is 100 % efficient. Now we can debate whether or not that is the most accurate way right now.. But at least it gives some inital info what to expect.

[metro.cl]

How is game performance lacking? It is basically the same as the old Phenom performance, with some improvements.

People should get that the BIG thing about Phenom II/Deneb is indeed the OC and power draw, not the performance gains really. Only slight gains over Phenom. ...until the overclocking steps in and all the tables roll over and turn upside down due to great OC capabilities.

AMD will be showing off their stuff in few hours at San Fran. If they had something to hide, they would not hold these events.

All the leaks have possibly been more or less under NDA, and only good few people have guts to show stuff at all. Besides, usually it is Intel and Nvidia that leak stuff, AMD keeps everything so secret that even their CEO barely knows what's going on...

AMD wants people to talk. Talk about Phenom II. Thus the small leaks here and there.



At least for me load temps matter quite a bit. It directly correlates with the power draw, which then has it's small influence in the power bill and temperature of the other components in the case. It also gives some insight about the quality of the stock cooler and max oc with it. Idle temps, useless...

That doesn't mean software readings are correct. My E6600 temp readings are always 15c higher then my E6400 at the same volt and speed settings.

That is the whole point

[ownage]

the e6600 runs hotter because it has 2 more meg. of cache

No, not true. It has 4mb but only 2mb is used. And 2mb cache could never make a 15c temp difference.
I also noticed 10c difference between two e7200 cpu's.

[Shadowmage]

No, not true. It has 4mb but only 2mb is used. And 2mb cache could never make a 15c temp difference.
I also noticed 10c difference between two e7200 cpu's.

It's because of manufacturing variations that effect static leakage (eg. variations to gate oxide thickness), simple as that. A delta of 15C is certainly feasible.

[Stage1Ocer]

Well guys went to the small conference they had for the Dragon Platform aka Deneb(Phenom II). They had the deneb oc'd to 5.8Ghz stable running the crysis bench. Pretty nice...they had the vcore up to 1.92(will probably pop the QX9650) on LN2. No coldbugs @ -140 are you serious?. I am very impressed!!! Its time for AMD to redeem themselves. AMD hit home run with this cpu. Best thing is they run stable on the 790GX no problems what so ever, had cpu-z pushed to 6.3Ghz. Were talkin a $275 cpu according to the AMD reps. Sure looks like there is definately going to be some heavy competition against the I7. Still compatible with AM2+ sockets...the Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H seems to be pushing the Deneb pretty good.

[azraeel101]

Well guys went to the small conference they had for the Dragon Platform aka Deneb(Phenom II). They had the deneb oc'd to 5.8Ghz stable running the crysis bench. Pretty nice...they had the vcore up to 1.92(will probably pop the QX9650) on LN2. No coldbugs @ -140 are you serious?. I am very impressed!!! Its time for AMD to redeem themselves. AMD hit home run with this cpu. Best thing is they run stable on the 790GX no problems what so ever, had cpu-z pushed to 6.3Ghz. Were talkin a $275 cpu according to the AMD reps. Sure looks like there is definately going to be some heavy competition against the I7. Still compatible with AM2+ sockets...the Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H seems to be pushing the Deneb pretty good.

Thanks for the info!
Was all OC on air done on raising the multiplier or they done some HT OC too? Was there a Phenom 2 920 there, and if yes how much would it OC?
Also, $275 for the 940 is the retail price (MSRP) or the bulk price?

[Extelleron]

I want to see benchmarks and stable, safe 24/7 OCs on good air cooling.... suicide shots aren't interesting IMO.

I've already decided to go with i7 but I want to see AMD nail this CPU launch and get a real competitor to the Yorkfields. The results we have are looking like a huge improvement over Agena but I still want to see meaningful benchmark results. In addition I'm wondering about the voltage of Deneb, it seems like the stock voltage is higher than on Agena; why is this so and is Deneb really safe at 1.5V+?

[Ghostbuster]

Trust me, this is definitely NOT a max out. Keep in mind that there is an NDA hanging over our heads.

Just wondering, how far can that PII hit on air only? Suicides included... and what is the highest stable frequency, roughly..

[G-UNIT91]

Just wondering, how far can that PII hit on air only? Suicides included... and what is the highest stable frequency, roughly..

I have spend it much money for a superWC for DENEB FX

[villa1n]

guys, it's only -40c deegres.

with ln2 we can froze cpu to -100C

so don't panic

some of us want 24/7 temps, phase being ideal :P

[Solus Corvus]

They had the deneb oc'd to 5.8Ghz stable running the crysis bench.

How long was it running crysis at this frequency?

[Eastcoasthandle]

Interesting conclusion based on...based on what?

I was wondering the same thing. Wasn't the athlon leaks in similar fashion? Or were there leaked game benchmarks prior to release?

[informal]

How long was it running crysis at this frequency?

It depends if it was looping.That Crysis cpu test lasts a couple of minutes.

[Solus Corvus]

It depends if it was looping.That Crysis cpu test lasts a couple of minutes.

Thanks but I already know that. What I wanted to know is how long the people there saw the bench running at that clock. Did they just run it in a loop for 10 minutes and take it down or was it looping that way for the entire event (however long that was).

[flippin_waffles]

Well, they probably would have had to have a dedicate ln2 guy to just stand there all night and poor it in. I doubt they did that.

[Tonucci]

Thanks but I already know that. What I wanted to know is how long the people there saw the bench running at that clock. Did they just run it in a loop for 10 minutes and take it down or was it looping that way for the entire event (however long that was).

Well, if it was loaded for a long time I think they would have rightfully bragged about it lol

Since they doesnt say for how long, I'd assume first run

[FatAlbert]

some of us want 24/7 temps, phase being ideal :P

some of us thought about that couple months ago

intel go the ... away, no coldbugs amd is coming :rotfl: