Core i7: "Extended" motherboard back-plate highly recommended

[zlojack]

Guys ease up. I discussed this with somebody who is highly respected here. I am not gonna drag his name into this, but he has told me that mounting theser things can be tricky. Some of them have springs that excert so much pressure you could crack a board, and I believe him. Others cxan be tioghtened down all the way, but have less pressure and mnay people are left to mod springs or hard mount. Hard mounting takes ***experience***. After disicussing it I wouldn't try it. Maybe down the road I would, but it would only happen after I had some experience. I would flip out if i busted a 400 dollar motherboard.

Other things that can happen is uneven pressure, and this has been discussed here in articles written by many respected watercoolers in this forum. Movieman just wrote that Vapor also wrote an article about this.

That was not a shot at the competition. It's a fact. To get the best temps you want an even repeatable mount. I didn't read anything into that. I'm glad Gabe posted that, becasue there are alot of people getting into watercooling. I am one of them. I want all the info I can get. It is greatly appreciated.

It's all well and good. You have to take extra care when mounting stuff, that's always true.

I take exception to the numbers pulled out of nowhere and the whole "my product is the only safe product" message that was couched in what was otherwise a good warning to the community.

I work with stats every day and it's unreal how people pull numbers out of their behinds with no grounding in reality.

[shazza]

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

[zlojack]

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

I don't think you want to remove the stock backplate.

[E.R]

It just looks like the GTZ-backplate avoiding going ontop of this stockplate. Or thats just the picture that fools the eye.

[2low4u]

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

With the RIIE Sazz you have to leave that in place as that hold the CPU hold down bracket mechanism in place. without it wouldn't be good put it that way heheh. Plus if I remember without going back to look at it it's riveted in place not screwed right. It's fine to stay there it doesn't get in the way.

[DarthBeavis]

gabe is not saying other vendor's stuff is shiat . . .heck his posting here will probably help to get everyone on the same page (granted they probably planned to do so anyways or at least one would think so) . . .as long as we do not have one vendor talking crap about other vendors (specifying them by name) then it is all good. Gabe surely has more class than that . . .it is great to have professionals (Petra is another example) who come here and help educate us.

[Chruschef]

If intel specified a backplate, does the stock cooler that comes with their CPU include a backplate?

If not, thats rather hypocritical.

[eternal_fantasy]

What do you do with the backplate that comes on boards like the P6T Deluxe and Rampage Extreme II ? I don't have a pic handy, but it's quite a large metal plate on the back of the CPU area. Do you remove this before adding the backplate for a block like the GTZ, or does that backplate just go over it?

I was just wondering the same thing.

andyc

This;

This Noctua backplate, and a similer one offered by Thermalright's 1366 mounting kit, is designed to cover the entire stock PCB's backplate, effectively putting the pressure on the CPU and stock backplate, and not on the fragile PCB.

The Thermalright backplate is exactly the same size as the onboard stock plate, even the cutout in the middle is of the same size. Also with Thermalright the threaded ends are slightly raised, so the four ends touches the PCB, while the rest sit flat against the stock backplate.

If intel specified a backplate, does the stock cooler that comes with their CPU include a backplate?

If not, thats rather hypocritical.

I believe Gaby was refering to Intel specified backplate on the actual motherboard. Not on aftermarket HSF.


(the big metal plate there)

[DarthBeavis]

Gabe have you helped Intel design their mobos?

[gabe]

I take exception to the numbers pulled out of nowhere and the whole "my product is the only safe product" message that was couched in what was otherwise a good warning to the community.

statistics: you are absolutely right, I edited my response. Satisfied? For the record, note that this "questionable" statistic was not part of the original announcement, but merely a point made during the course of a discussion, such point being a metaphor to illustrate an argument.

I am willing nonetheless to bet that once this thread is over with, you will see other vendors offering back-plates. Which serves my purpose: stirring the pot is sometimes necessary to get things moving in the right direction, and if it illustrates in the process the fact that we lead the way, then so be it. After all we worked hard enough on this to make a claim for recognition.

[zlojack]

statistics: you are absolutely right, I edited my response. Satisfied? For the record, note that this "questionable" statistic was not part of the original announcement, but merely a point made during the course of a discussion, such point being a metaphor to illustrate an argument.

I am willing nonetheless to bet that once this thread is over with, you will see other vendors offering back-plates. Which serves my purpose: stirring the pot is sometimes necessary to get things moving in the right direction, and if it illustrates in the process the fact that we lead the way, then so be it. After all we worked hard enough on this to make a claim for recognition.

Fair enough.

[T_Flight]

gabe is not saying other vendor's stuff is shiat . . .heck his posting here will probably help to get everyone on the same page (granted they probably planned to do so anyways or at least one would think so) . . .as long as we do not have one vendor talking crap about other vendors (specifying them by name) then it is all good. Gabe surely has more class than that . . .it is great to have professionals (Petra is another example) who come here and help educate us.

Yeah, somebody gets it. I just hope they stick around. I don't like some of these insinuations here. People are reading things into his post that are simply not there trying to start another one of these conspiracies up.

That's why we have very few manufacturers on here.

[zlojack]

Yeah, somebody gets it. I just hope they stick around. I don't like some of these insinuations here. People are reading things into his post that are simply not there trying to start another one of these conspiracies up.

That's why we have very few manufacturers on here.

Dude, the manufacturers are on here as much for the free market research and feedback as they are to contribute.

It's great to have them here because it helps us to get great products and it helps them to make money. But believe me, they are out there to make money. This is a niche market so any extra market share they can get is good for them.

If they come on here for ideas or to present new products and concepts, that's great. If they come on here to contribute valuable information (such as the warning about taking care when mounting your block with i7) that's great.

But they are also sellers. We are their customers, so sometimes the sales pitch will creep into what they say and do here. I just take exception to false statistics because I work with consumer trends and stats for a living.

Whether they like it or not, these company reps/owners do have to tread a little more lightly because of who they are. That's the price they pay for such direct access to the heart of their most ardent and important customers.

[T_Flight]

That's where we disagree. They are not any different from anybody else except for the fact that nobody knows these products better than the people who make them and work with them everyday.

They are not gonna "pay a price" here, and if I have to, I will be all over anyone who tries to start that stuff up everytime I see it. Like I said, that's why we have very few mnaufacturers on here is because of these attacks are running them all off.

[T_Flight]

Whatever you want to believe, but what I said stands. I've had it with the BS around here, and I'm in no mood for this tripe today.

[TedShred]

I love it that company owner/reps are here with info about their products. But, fact is, they have a fiduciary duty to the company they represent. They CAN'T be like everyone else here. They have a vested interest in their own product and a duty to their company.

There's nothing wrong with that, but I think it's the context in which you have to read the material.

Which should be present no problem here, as there's no shortage of critics.

[zlojack]

Whatever you want to believe, but what I said stands. I've had it with the BS around here, and I'm in no mood for this tripe today.

LOL

You flame away then, buddy. But if I see BS, I call BS.

This is a two-way street. The manufacturers come here and help us out, but we also help them with our feedback and suggestions. As I said, it's free market research for them.

So if someone wants to be skeptical about the motivation of a certain comment, that is their prerogative. If you choose to flame, that is yours.

I love it that company owner/reps are here with info about their products. But, fact is, they have a fiduciary duty to the company they represent. They CAN'T be like everyone else here. They have a vested interest in their own product and a duty to their company.

There's nothing wrong with that, but I think it's the context in which you have to read the material.

Which should be present no problem here, as there's no shortage of critics.

This is pretty much a perfect statement.

[DarthBeavis]

statistics: you are absolutely right, I edited my response. Satisfied? For the record, note that this "questionable" statistic was not part of the original announcement, but merely a point made during the course of a discussion, such point being a metaphor to illustrate an argument.

I am willing nonetheless to bet that once this thread is over with, you will see other vendors offering back-plates. Which serves my purpose: stirring the pot is sometimes necessary to get things moving in the right direction, and if it illustrates in the process the fact that we lead the way, then so be it. After all we worked hard enough on this to make a claim for recognition.

What is funny is behind closed doors you hear vendors speak well about other vendor's products and companies in general . . . well, I have not been behind your closed doors but I am sure I would hear the same type of thing . . .

It would be cool to hear a bit about your experience in how your company has grown . . .the changes you have seen in the market, and such. You went public didn't you? If so, how has that impacted your company? I wish we had firm numbers for marketshare to tell us who are the largest companies in this industry . . . .maybe third-party sources such as the online vendors have the best comparative info . . .it would be scary to see a company like Thermaltake sells the most water-cooling over quality companies like yours, EK, DD, Dtek, Bitspower, Koolance (yes Koolance is now in the upper group), etc . . .

[T_Flight]

LOL

You flame away then, buddy. But if I see BS, I call BS.

This is a two-way street. The manufacturers come here and help us out, but we also help them with our feedback and suggestions. As I said, it's free market research for them.

So if someone wants to be skeptical about the motivation of a certain comment, that is their prerogative. If you choose to flame, that is yours.




This is pretty much a perfect statement.

ummm, excuse me? I think there got it backwards there bud. You were the one doing the flaming, and I called you on it. Others agree. I'm not on here to flame, but I will put a stop to the BS that is running off all these people from here.

You may want to try and run these mnaufacturers off, but take a look at this thread...good luck with that. There are alot more of us that like them here then there are of these conspiracy therorists.

[zlojack]

I'm not trying to run anyone off.

I was mainly taking issue with him taking shots at the competition and putting forth false statistics.

You're the one who decided to get into flaming me over it.

I have no desire to run off any manufacturers, so I don't know what put that idiotic idea into your head, but you need to back off.

Look at my posting history and find where I've ever tried to run off a manufacturer.

[Movieman]

Don's the "hat"
Gentlemen:
Now before we all get our panties in a bunch lets take a deep breath huh?
Of course people like gabe hope to make money from their products and showing them here IF those products are good will help their bottom line.
This should be taken for granted and not even need to be said.
The other side of this is that these people bring an expertise with them that no amount of money can buy.
The years of working these products. Refining,testing,etc.
That is the huge benefit I see to having manufacturer's here.
Let's be respectfull of that can we please and not always try to tear people apart due to a misplaced word.
Life is just too frigging short for battles over tiny issues.
Look for the positive and try to ignore the negative.
Thanks for reading.

[zlojack]

Sorry MM, I'm not trying to cause trouble. My point is just that a manufacturer needs to be careful about throwing out sweeping generalizations like that, because it sure seemed like a jab at the competition to me. We all saw how it went down when there was even the rumour of one dude threatening another. They want our business, after all, so it's probably better to avoid that kind of thing completely.

I'm well aware that they often share very good information and I think that's great as, along with the direct feedback they from the users here, this information sharing has certainly advanced this technology a lot.

Often how you say something is just as important as what you're saying.

[Movieman]

Sorry MM, I'm not trying to cause trouble. My point is just that a manufacturer needs to be careful about throwing out sweeping generalizations like that, because it sure seemed like a jab at the competition to me. We all saw how it went down when there was even the rumour of one dude threatening another. They want our business, after all, so it's probably better to avoid that kind of thing completely.

I'm well aware that they often share very good information and I think that's great as, along with the direct feedback they from the users here, this information sharing has certainly advanced this technology a lot.

Often how you say something is just as important as what you're saying.

Yes, it is. And it's also important how one approachs posting on the forum.
Is it to be a positive post or a negative?
Is it to help or to generate controversy?
I read his first post and what I took from it was essentially that one needed a backplate.
I agreed and posted a comment about what we do with dual socket boards when you can have up to 4+lbs of copper hanging with the 2 heatsinks.
Just made common sense to me and if other companies aren't doing it then thats their choice but for me with a $500.00 motherboard for my duals I used a solid plate long before it was fashionable. Again, just common sense to me.
Now as to gabe in general I've found him to be helpfull and yes, I kinow he is here to promote his products.
I've also found his products to be well made, reasonably priced and they do the job intended. Am I a bit of a Swiftech fanboi? Yea, I think I am.
My first water cooling experience was with his parts and that is what made a beleiver out of me. Just good stuff, that simple.
Now if he wants to come here, toss some ideas, show some new items and offer thoughts on design,etc I'm all for that.

[zlojack]

I agree 100% and you'll note that I posted after his first post that I appreciated the information. I took exception more with the later post, which he subsequently edited. But generally I'm not a negative guy and I don't usually flame or provoke. I'm here to learn and to share what little I know.

Anyway, a big deal was made out of a small thing.

[Movieman]

I agree 100% and you'll note that I posted after his first post that I appreciated the information. I took exception more with the later post, which he subsequently edited. But generally I'm not a negative guy and I don't usually flame or provoke. I'm here to learn and to share what little I know.

Anyway, a big deal was made out of a small thing.

Fair enough.. Now back to the important stuff;
you got snow in Toronto yet?