Nehalem Overclocking @ XS

[informal]

And my outsider's opinion is that is exactly the case, or why else 'advertise' it?
Intel doesnt need to fly to Fugger's house to test cherry modded CPU's to simply get a better understanding of what happens at low temperatures
Flying to Fugger's house on the other hand does get a lot of publicity

I really hope these modded/super cherry parts never make their way onto hwbot btw.

Am i the only one who thinks the above is spot on(also user Fr3ak made excellent points in his last posts).

[Movieman]

Propagating this upcoming demo in a thread that is about AMD's OC demo gives it a negative look and the impression that it has something to do with AMD, you can't argue with that I am talking about this thread btw: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=208369

Fair enough. I won't argue that point at all.

Am i the only one who thinks the above is spot on(also user Fr3ak made excellent points in his last posts).

Now did I hear something about people complaining about the Intel guy going into the AMD thread?
Quid pro quo my friend..Quid pro quo..

[informal]

Fair enough. I won't argue that point at all.


Now did I hear something about people complaining about the Intel guy going into the AMD thread?
Quid pro quo my friend..Quid pro quo..

Wow,I post one message, for the first time, in intel thread and you are already on my back.Way to go,"my friend"
BTW,both of those guys' posts made perfect sense and you know it.All this Core i7 cherry picking sounds a lot like a nasty knee-jerk reaction.

[Movieman]

Wow,I post one message, for the first time, in intel thread and you are already on my back.Way to go,"my friend"
BTW,both of those guys' posts made perfect sense and you know it.All this Core i7 cherry picking sounds a lot like a nasty knee-jerk reaction.

Actually I was 'on it" as I was posting at the same time you were( check the times)
I was making more of a tongue in cheek comment than blasting you.
As to this cherry picking deal I'll be honest with you. I don't know how to read it. Is it Intel trying to usurp AMD's "time" or is it Intel trying to show what can be done. Hard to tell.
I guess for me the best way to look at it is to enjoy both.
6GHz no matter who does it is impressive and VERY glad to see AMD back in the game.

[George_o/c]

I guess for me the best way to look at it is to enjoy both.
6GHz no matter who does it is impressive and VERY glad to see AMD back in the game.

There you go, that's the spirit !

[Drwho?]

And my outsider's opinion is that is exactly the case, or why else 'advertise' it?
Intel doesnt need to fly to Fugger's house to test cherry modded CPU's to simply get a better understanding of what happens at low temperatures
Flying to Fugger's house on the other hand does get a lot of publicity

I really hope these modded/super cherry parts never make their way onto hwbot btw.

Am i the only one who thinks the above is spot on(also user Fr3ak made excellent points in his last posts).

Actually, there is few very good reason to fly to fugger:

1) He has a very stable setting
2) I need a witness that is highly trustable, and fugger is.
3) he is capable of writting the details, no ting possible on his own watch.

I think i got good points, again, here, i am not trying to do any marketing tricks, I just compete, and try to do it fairly.

[Gautam]

What intrigues me is that we don't seem to have complaints of this nature against macci who was responsible for the super clocked Phenom II, and happens to be an AMD emplyoyee...:S

[massman]

The same Macci who prefered a Wolfdale over a Phenom because it was better overclockable? I don't think Macci will risk the reputation he has as a world-class overclocker just to hype the upcoming Phenom II.

[T_Flight]

I am looking forward to this...alot. There are many questions that could be answered and we might learn something from this. This is THE place to do this...Xtreme Systems. The owner of Xtreme Systems himself is gonna do this. That speaks volumes to me. I am trying my damndest to Ignore the negative remarks and am going to continue that. I don't wanna fill my head with that trash, because I'm gonna fill my head with positive things like this, and what could be learned from it.

I am extremely grateful that we have you here DrWho. I've learned alot about the inner working of these processors, and why and how things were done the way they were. Nobody knows a product better than the people who actually work on it, and I'm grateful for the info you have shared with us. Just wanted you to know that it is appreciated.

[Gautam]

The same Macci who prefered a Wolfdale over a Phenom because it was better overclockable? I don't think Macci will risk the reputation he has as a world-class overclocker just to hype the upcoming Phenom II.

So how is what Charles is about to do any worse?

Just because Intel is making all the details clear?

[Lucky_n00b]

Actually, there is few very good reason to fly to fugger:

1) He has a very stable setting
2) I need a witness that is highly trustable, and fugger is.
3) he is capable of writting the details, no ting possible on his own watch.

I think i got good points, again, here, i am not trying to do any marketing tricks, I just compete, and try to do it fairly.

Good Point DrWho?,

From my point of view as an overclocking newbie , it's just plain nice to see that someone from Intel actually cares about us overclockers

* Man, I wish Intel representative in Indonesia cares for its own overclockers just 10% as much as you are *

Well, I'll just wait for the result then...

* And by the way, can you tell us how to disable the thermal diode? Just a clue is fine...If somehow disabling it will give us some headroom on i7 overclocking, I bet most of us here are MORE than willing to take the risk *

[informal]

The same Macci who prefered a Wolfdale over a Phenom because it was better overclockable? I don't think Macci will risk the reputation he has as a world-class overclocker just to hype the upcoming Phenom II.

Bingo.He would loose a lot,and i've never seen him hype anything while he was(and still is) a member of this forum.

[T_Flight]

The point was if you don't do it to Macci, don't do it to anybody else either.

[Movieman]

Ok guys, lets keep this nice huh?
I have that feeling this is headed downhill so lets get back to topic..

[massman]

So how is what Charles is about to do any worse?

Just because Intel is making all the details clear?

As far as I know, Macci IS NOT the person who made this thread, he isn't involved in all this except for the actual overclocking at the press event. Now, these two last words should mean something; it's quite understandible if he has in fact used a handpicked cpu, because ... it's to show what the Deneb can do. Reverse the question: Why wouldn't they choose a good overclocking chip?

Then there's the thermal diode story, which has only be confirmed by DrWho at the moment. If indeed the thermal diode was disabled in the chip used at that event, end-user WILL know eventually. There's no way that AMD would get away with such a big lie and if people find that they can get nowhere near 5Ghz, that'll be bad news for AMD, very bad news.

Now, suddenly an Intel representative needs to show that he can cut certain elements out of a retail chip and make it the best overclocking i7 we have seen so far (if I recall correctly, he did aim for 6, maybe 7GHz), by miles. Apparently, the technique for disabling the thermal diode is this dangerous that he doesn't want to share with the most extreme hardware enthousiasts who are willing to go through dozens of chips to find thé one. It's either indeed to difficult for people to cut the diode and thus means the 6GHz nothing, because it's simply impossible for other people to match that. Or it is not so difficult ... but then I can't see why it's not shared.

Concerning Charles, we all know he has good relations with Intel, no need to bull about that. We also know that he tried many Phenom chips at CES and said none of them were able to boot at subzero temperatures, making it look like ty cpu's, whereas many others including myself have already been able to go subzero with the cpus.

If you claim Macci is not impartial, then you have to do the same for any other person who works close with manufacturers. When the results appear, I will draw my own conclusions and I truely hope all others will do the same. In addition, I will test out the new Phenoms as soon as possible to check whether they are indeed overclocking that well. Afterwards, I will be able to compare both PII and I7 platform in terms of overclocking and performance and will then decide which one is the best in what situation.

[TheKarmakazi]

I am looking forward to this...alot. There are many questions that could be answered and we might learn something from this. This is THE place to do this...Xtreme Systems. The owner of Xtreme Systems himself is gonna do this. That speaks volumes to me. I am trying my damndest to Ignore the negative remarks and am going to continue that. I don't wanna fill my head with that trash, because I'm gonna fill my head with positive things like this, and what could be learned from it.

I am extremely grateful that we have you here DrWho. I've learned alot about the inner working of these processors, and why and how things were done the way they were. Nobody knows a product better than the people who actually work on it, and I'm grateful for the info you have shared with us. Just wanted you to know that it is appreciated.

Ok guys, lets keep this nice huh?
I have that feeling this is headed downhill so lets get back to topic..

Well said, lets keep this on topic, and not a flamefest. We can gain some valuable knowledge about things here.

Wow,I post one message, for the first time, in intel thread and you are already on my back.Way to go,"my friend"
BTW,both of those guys' posts made perfect sense and you know it.All this Core i7 cherry picking sounds a lot like a nasty knee-jerk reaction.

I dont think its nasty at all. Im no intel/amd fanboy, im only a fanboy of performance. AMD's new cpu will stand or fall (for me at least) in terms of how it performs and OC's. When I see the retail chips doing high OC's like that I will be very excited indeed!

[Gautam]

The truth is, no one is really impartial these days.

Overclocking is unfair. Manufacturers have been involved (far too much IMHO) for years now.

That's just life.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Then there's the thermal diode story, which has only be confirmed by DrWho at the moment.

The article in which Amd had said they done so is quoted in the thread about deneb?

Maybe the article changed, but what he quoted allot of other people read as well including me.

[trickson]

That is soooooo sweet ! Man I need to build an Xtreem system my self !

[T_Flight]

Please do! You're in the right place! Aw, and !

[massman]

The article in which Amd had said they done so is quoted in the thread about deneb?

Maybe the article changed, but what he quoted allot of other people read as well including me.

Link me to the article in which is said that AMD disabled the thermal control in that particular cpu to get it to run near -190°C, please

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Already looking back but you know as well as anyone most of the original articeles have been changed

[massman]

Yes, they changed "6GHz+" into "well over 5GHz"

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Mhm I think you might be right.. Though the source linked to Theo Vallich so it's not something I call reliable.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=66

Francois then quoted a short line, in which they said

On-die sensors are tweaked up and they will not lock the part at -100 or -20C, and you can use dry ice or LN2 to crank it up to the max

Now, that can apply to all the deneb's or just the one at the demo idk? I do know that's the line Francois quoted but I can't say what Theo ment to say. And again, I never trust anything coming from him.

[Fr3ak]

They had to change it due to the NDA that everybody at the event had to sign. Whatever, that does not belong to this thread. I am sorry for running the thread off the original topic, so please focus on anything that has to do with Nehalem overclocking here at XS. I just wanted to mention in what direction overclocking is turning and that this turn is harmful for the whole thing as a sport. Whether AMD used cherry picked CPUs or not will be shown when Phenom II goes retail and people here try it under cold. Whether Francois' motivation was the AMD demo ir something else, who knows. I never intended to start a flamewar or something similar being neither a Intel nor a AMD fanboy. Whatever is fast, is something I like. And competition is good for all of us in the end, as long as everybody is on the same playground. Manipulated CPUs for a couple of people is a no-go in my eyes.

Now show us some big numbers! =)