Quote Originally Posted by T_Flight View Post
Freak what you are forgetting is DrWho works with this stuff for a living. He can do practically anything with these and has the knowledge to do it. The guy is a professional. He knows exactly how these chips work and could make them do practially anything that is physically possible. I wouldn't question him for a minute. he is a highly educated, highly experienced professional.
Don't get me wrong. I know exactly who DrWho? is. He is a genius in my eyes and I enjoyed every minute of talking to him. I don't question his motives or him being dishonest, but the way he introduced his OC demo in the AMD thread was a bit unlucky, to say the least.

Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
Does it? or is it simply a demonstration of what can be done and have nothing to do with AMD or anyone else?
Again, it's all in how you look at things and is the glass 1/2 full or 1/2 empty.
I look for the positive and try and ignore the negative.
Propagating this upcoming demo in a thread that is about AMD's OC demo gives it a negative look and the impression that it has something to do with AMD, you can't argue with that I am talking about this thread btw: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=208369

Quote Originally Posted by FUGGER View Post
Its an honor to be given this opportunity as well as the knowledge to be gained is invaluable.

My current chip is a good chip, the chip that Francois is showing is a cherry chip. I see that it scares Oliver, heh

I have seen the Amps fly on many boards and many chips, the voltage bug Peter is talking about may be the same, we need a better description.
I don't doubt that this gathering will bring us more insight into this phenomenum. Probably I haven't been clear enough: I have 2 converns:

1) Advertising this demo in the AMD OC demo thread to show what can be done with manipulated CPUs implies AMD has cheated. Francois could have come up with this idea in a more elegant way

2) My fear is that those CPUs will find their ways into Hwbot, thus making it impossible for everyone else to catch up by finding a equally good CPU. Getting "ordinary" hardware for free, but getting cherry picked stuff in a way that no one else can cherry pick in the same way, is something way different.

Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
None, this is too dangerous, one booting without the right voltage and cooling is fatal.
Trust me, it would become a dissaster, it is like removing the self preservation of the human kind ... watch the movie "The happening".
You seem to forget where you are =) Do you think anyone here using LN2 and 2 Volts on C2D/C2Q cares about the loss of a CPU? If it can be done in a way that it is obvious the CPU has been manipulated thus losing all warranty, why not give extreme overclockers that option?