First Shanghai benchmark results.

[Helmore]

Shintai,AMD "Configured" system (the intel based one) is not under performing in pure performance,it is on par with other results.What is different is the power draw since the systems are equipped with the same amount of RAM memory(16GB).
In pure performance,like Jack said,Shanghai @2.7Ghz is on the level of Harpertown at 3GHz,in 2P.In 4P it should be even greater difference,but we have no data for that yet.

Performance in what scenario? What would it be like for video encoding and 3d rendering? Or maybe even things like games? It may be like that for certain performance figures, but I don't think this will really apply to most users here. I mean, what do those Spec numbers mean to the average user here?

[informal]

Performance in what scenario? What would it be like for video encoding and 3d rendering? Or maybe even things like games? It may be like that for certain performance figures, but I don't think this will really apply to most users here. I mean, what do those Spec numbers mean to the average user here?

If you haven't noticed,we are all speaking about server workloads here,not desktop.Shanghai is a server part,after all... As for desktop,we simply don't know what kind of perf. over even Agena new 45nm chip will offer.We simply have to wait a bit longer to see.What it will bring to desktop for sure is 3 things: higher stock clocks-2.8/3Ghz in Dec,much lower power draw and much higher OCing.These 3 factors are equally important as IPC is,so Deneb if priced right will be a very good desktop chip.Oh and you can guess even now it's not going to be slower than Agena...

[Rammsteiner]

Quite interesting.

However, I'd rather take those results not too serious. Both from Shanghai as Harpertown. Marketing is most of the times playing a big role in such 'previews' made my the producer its self.

But well, not too long before we can see some real benchies

[Shintai]

If you haven't noticed,we are all speaking about server workloads here,not desktop.Shanghai is a server part,after all... As for desktop,we simply don't know what kind of perf. over even Agena new 45nm chip will offer.We simply have to wait a bit longer to see.What it will bring to desktop for sure is 3 things: higher stock clocks-2.8/3Ghz in Dec,much lower power draw and much higher OCing.These 3 factors are equally important as IPC is,so Deneb if priced right will be a very good desktop chip.Oh and you can guess even now it's not going to be slower than Agena...

The initial benchmark addresses only one subset of server workloads: the performance of server side Java. It exercises the CPUs, caches, memory hierarchy and the scalability of shared memory processors (SMPs) as well as the implementations of the JVM (Java Virtual Machine), JIT (Just-In-Time) compiler, garbage collection, threads and some aspects of the operating system.

Not much serverload there.

http://www.spec.org/power_ssj2008/re...r_ssj2008.html

And funny how the AMD Intel system doesnt match the others.

No wonder they been so quiet about the 45nm K10s. Nothing to see.

[Rammsteiner]

Not much serverload there.

http://www.spec.org/power_ssj2008/re...r_ssj2008.html

And funny how the AMD Intel system doesnt match the others.

No wonder they been so quiet about the 45nm K10s. Nothing to see.

Now I wouldnt say that either.

I cant remember, but they said with Barcelona I think it was 40% faster than, dont know what. In a lot of benches it actually wasnt, but in one certain it actually was. Now it's not really good to say it's upto 40% faster, but it ain't a lie neither.

I do hope this time AMD did it better than that, and I do think Shanghai/Deneb is a very good improvement from their current products, but as well compared to Intel's offers. How good, we'll have to see untill unbiased reviews are around.

[hollo]

Intel chips certainly seem to be the big winners as far as this particular benchmark is concerned, with Power Leader running Chipzilla’s L5430 Xeons and scoring 1135. IBM also pulls two very high scores from its hat with Intel’s Xeon X3360 2.83GHz (1064, 1054), while NEC also posts a high score of 1010 on a Xeon L5420 2.5GHz.

But there’s also something a bit suspect going on in these benchmarks, something which makes us think AMD might be up to some shenanigans.

AMD submitted its own results for Intel Xeon L5420s at 2.5GHz and somehow managed to come up with a score of only 561.

this = shenanigans

[JumpingJack]

this = shenanigans

Well, regardless of how these scores are made or submitted, anytime a company does a coca cola vs pepsi test by configuring the competitors system themselves one should induce a degree of skepticism ... AMD often does this, I can only recall Intel doing their own AMD configuration compare and I nearly unhinged my jaw in disbelief -- i.e. not the result but rather -- rarely does Intel even acknowledge publicly AMD performance or even existence, but Conroe/Woodcrest filled the IDF and the Intel benchmark website with AMD comparisons.

So when Intel did the Conroe coca cola v pepsi demo, the entire conglomerate (HW journalists, forum enthusiasts, and the like) were all 'take it with a grain of salt.' ... I think it more prudent to weigh the numbers accordingly, note the interesting performance (not performance/watt, just raw performance), then wait for SPEC database to fill with more independent submissions with more configurations.

Bottom line -- Shanghai is shaping up much better than Barcelona did ... forget the AMD sponsored comparison all together.

[JumpingJack]

Performance in what scenario? What would it be like for video encoding and 3d rendering? Or maybe even things like games? It may be like that for certain performance figures, but I don't think this will really apply to most users here. I mean, what do those Spec numbers mean to the average user here?

These are purely server related tasks, the applicability of these type of measurements are completely irrelevant for client side applications.

For servers, AMD has done a good job with Shanghai looking at the raw performance and not performance/watt ... AMD's superior interconnect platform over the archaic front side bus is huge advantage, they don't choke up as they add more and more cores and sockets ... hence, they claim to fame with scaling. In single socket desktop PCs the rules are completely different, Deneb will shed a lot of light on what they managed to complete with architectural tweaks during the shrink ... that should follow Shanghai shortly.