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    Queue's Charge:
    Ultralo: Found it. No percentages or wieghts were given, proprietary.
    R600a (BP = -12C)
    R134a (BP = -26C)
    R508b (BP = -88C)
    R14 (BP = -128C)
    R740 (not condensed)
    The R508B is simply an HFC replacement for the formally used CFC-13 in standard cascades. It is composed of 30-50% HFC-23 and 50-70% HFC-116. I would think in an autocascade that R23 (BP = -84C) could be directly substituted, since the presence of the R14 in the blend would give you the colder temperature.

    Ultralo -- is this charge being used in the Cryostar freezers?

    Interesting note; Polycold licensed their technology to Queue in the early 80's. I was directly involved with creating the first prototype chest freezer designed for -100C operation. I also remember that there was a heat up problem after extended operation, due to oil freeze up in the final captube feeding the evaporator. The charge used at the time consisted of CFC-114, CFC-13, HFC-14, and Argon (R740). Oil return was solely done via the phase separators. I would imagine that using a charge with R600a probably would have solved the oil migration/freeze up problems.

    I remember we even talked about using 2 final captubes with shut-off solenoid valves. And then cycling back-and-forth, thereby allowing one captube to thaw out while using the other.


    Utralo -- On the subject of using hydrocarbons as refrigerants. At an early point in time, you mentioned something about propane being used as...
    Quote Originally Posted by ultralo1 View Post
    We call it a "cold enema"
    Are you ready to explain what and how this works?
    Last edited by mytekcontrols; 11-07-2008 at 08:08 AM.
    Michael St. Pierre

    • Worked 15 years for Polycold Systems
    • Now Self-Employed
    • Manufacture Heat Load Controllers
    • Also do contract service work on Polycold units

    Side note: I usually don't respond to PM's or emails regarding the projects that I post in the forums. I feel it's much more fair to all, to answer questions within the forum topics themselves.

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