Quote Originally Posted by Chad Boga View Post
I am casting my doubts for two reasons, and if you would care to address those reasons that would be good, and if you don't want to, that's okay too.

1. In all previous shrink + Cache increases by either side in the last 12 to 15 years at least, we haven't even come close to seeing a 15 to 20% IPC increase, what is going to make Deneb so different?

2. AMD have little to no credibility in respect of projected CPU performances for at least 18 months now.
wow how many times do we have to say its not just a shrink + cache change? deneb is different because it is more than just that. there have been modifications to the cpu that are made that should of been made with agena and are new modifications that they have made based on the last cpu. at the time amd started making the first phenom they were already ahead of intel with their X2 cpus. amd was obviously careless and were determined to make a native quad core. it took them a lot of time to do so and when they finally got it done it was a mess but they were so far behind already that they just had to release the chip because of the huge delay. deneb is supposed to be the first real k10. they have had a lot more time to do what they needed to do and they have done it now. and this time there is no tlb bug. they can actually release the chip without knowing it has a handful of problems. i have always considered the first phenoms to be a prototype. even the day they were released and i still believe them to be the same today.

ok and your second statement is just asking for trouble. you obviously don't know a thing about amd. and they have lived up to the performance they have told people. really i have no idea why you have come in here and posted. you have no facts. you refuse to believe anyone's opinion and deny all facts presented to you. it sounds like you are just trolling and trying to start something because you will not be satisfied until everyone in here says amd sucks. you have nothing constructive to say.