Deneb just around the corner?

[Chad Boga]

ok so you believe that 15-20% is excessive. amd has stated that thats what it is and i have spoken with amd employees about it and they say the same. because you have no proof that 15-20% is excessive then i don't believe you can say that others are wrong when they claim this. we all accept that you believe that the ipc will not increase by 15-20% but what we don't understand is how u can say we are all wrong without having any proof stating otherwise when everyone else here is getting all their numbers and performance predictions from facts and what amd has stated.

I am casting my doubts for two reasons, and if you would care to address those reasons that would be good, and if you don't want to, that's okay too.

1. In all previous shrink + Cache increases by either side in the last 12 to 15 years at least, we haven't even come close to seeing a 15 to 20% IPC increase, what is going to make Deneb so different?

2. AMD have little to no credibility in respect of projected CPU performances for at least 18 months now.

I never really looked into it, but what was the improvement overall for 65nm Core2 - 45nm core2? I thought I heard it was around 15%...I might look it up..But should expect nothing less then what Intel had..and at least some more given that of the higher priced chips showing more speed per clock with the larger cahce siaze in the Intel line up, true?

I think Penryn across the board was about 5 to 8%.