To everyone in the WC section, Please read!

[IanY]

Who else has been banned?

[NaeKuh]

And CD's analysis of the whole "I'm the Donald Trump of watercooling and your computer sucks unless you spend $15,000 on it" was very annoying and just plain un-helpful to newcomers to watercooling. I can't imagine how many more members there would be to watercoling and this forum had it not been for that little "clic" basically telling newcomers that spending $250-$500 on there watercooling parts would only produce "average" results that were no better than air-cooling.

And i find it funny how when theres an alu thread, and people are indeed throwing money away by mixing metals, we dont flame the person who created the thread?
How is the situation any different?

R3 was strong on his vocal views, but he did bring about a lot of good stuff to the forum.

First off, who has closer relationship with vincent? Anyone wonder why vincent is missing to begin with?
Also, Ben, R3 was very close to ben, in fact if i wanted a favor from vincent or ben id pobably go though R3.

Can you Newbies say you have that many connections already associated in the short time it took him to get it?

Regardless of how much money he spent [you wanna count pennies? cuz i probably topple R3 by a factor of 2-3x in spending], the fact is he had connections. You wanna make more fun of inflated egos?

Try mine. However i back up my statements with proof, and i think i made quite a name for myself now that martin only proved what i said was true from the beginning.

So Guys STOP AND DROP THE R3 Matter, b4 we bring drama back into this forum.

Its OVER, and RESOLVED. Now its up to both partys to accept the punishment and move on. Thats all there is to it.

Dont justify and annalyze cuz it doesnt matter to you at all. The decission was handed down by the mods, if they want to talk about it, then its up to them, but i doubt they will.

So dont speculate, or second guess, or even analyze, you guys are turning into little 13 yr old girls who gossip behind people's backs, and its really disgusting.

[IanY]

Naekuh,

Let it be. There's little point in getting yourself all worked up about it. There's no punishment and its no loss on either end. Just move on.

Although he was paid quite a compliment.. wow..

[NaeKuh]

i want my old forum back.

is that too much to ask?

I might just stick to WCG only if we cant drop this issue.

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We have a very simple rules and code in WCG section.

Its really simple, and has kept the guys clean and problem free.

Rule 1:
Egos left outside unless you get personally attacked.

Rule 2:
Personal attacks and you get kicked outside WCG or a phone call from DAVE.

Rule 3:
Respect others, to one a penny = a million dollars, so view others in there eyes not yours.

Rule 4:
Avoid the phone call from DAVE

Rule 5:
DONT PULL FART PLUME's FINGER

Rule 6:
No Teddy bashing or phicks will slaughter you.

Rule 7:
The answer to all questions is SHEEP!


Simple rules have kept wcg in check so long... We should adopt it and learn from them.

[IanY]

Naekuh,

Its not possible. That forum is gone, whether you like it or not. Whether anyone likes it or not, RRR is gone for good. Its a decision that has been made and there's no point questioning it, regardless of how you feel about it.

If you are referring to the forum before RRR, then its not possible either. You'll have to influence ten times the number of people for that to happen.

They are not going to change their minds. Their language is firm.

As to the ensuing nastiness, it cannot be helped either, and it is not going away very easily.

There is no point for you to get all worked up about it. It'll only consume you. For your sake, stop worrying about RRR. He's a big boy and can manage himself.

And this isn't WCG and will never be WCG. Not everyone wants a call or appreciates a call from Dave. Not everybody wants to be friends with everyone else in XS and not everyone specifically wants to be your friend. This is just some internet forum.

[NaeKuh]

i dont want to get my hands dirty in that manner.

Thats why im really trying to stay neutral.

I see the admins's possition, DB is a good friend of mine.

I also see R3's excitement and wanting need to let everyone know, i was there a long time ago.

Im not picking sides on this issue.

What im picking sides on tho is that this whole issue should just be kept behind doors.
You guys had 1 page to say your peace.
Do you really need to strech 5 more pages with a person's fault?



Lets get back to our normal programing.

Skinnee is getting a new koolance block from me to test once i get my samples.

I am building the most massive external unit labeled oracle soon and will post a WL. (2xDDC-2 + 2xDDC-3.2)

I am also in the middle working with bei fei designing custom blocks which will be for sale though him and possibly gary at Sidewinder for
ASUS P6T-Deluxe board. NB/SB single block. Mosfet Single Block.

And lets get some real I7 thermals done so we can repick who the winner is.



This is all i am hoping to accomplish b4 the end of this year.

[Sadasius]

Rule 5:
DONT PULL FART PLUME's FINGER

Yeah that is a very good rule... I will not do that again!

[IanY]

DB has been my friend quite sometime before I knew RRR, and I signed up for DB's build logs elsewhere before they began being posted in XS. All you guys are friends. There is no need for anyone to tear each other apart.

I also see R3's excitement and wanting need to let everyone know, i was there a long time ago.

Honestly, don't you see the not-so-subtle elitism in that statement that RRR is so often accused of? The main problem I have with this whole affair is that the accusations lobbied at RRR are in several ways hypocritical because its rampant across XS. The pot shouldn't call the kettle black, especially when the pots have been around longer than the kettle.

Another thing. I don't know what people don't understand about the concept of "permanent." RRR's access to Liquid Cooling within XS has been permanently revoked.

[Kaldor]

Ive been a long time lurker here at XS. I think I read these forums for at least a year before I even signed up for a user ID. I dont currently water cool anything, unless your counting Buds in a cooler, although that may belong in the chilled section, doh!

However the knowledge I have picked up from these forums has been pretty helpful in helping my friends out and furthering my own PC knowledge. Ive helped my buddy pick out parts for his WC loop just the other just from what Ive read on these forums. Ive taken a few ideas Ive seen and spun them a little bit and used them in my own creations. I frequently refer people to these forums if they need some info on something out of the ordinary. Just tell them to run a search on whatever they are looking for and they will probably find it.

Personally I could care less if people spend $10k or $1k on a PC. I think I have about $1500 in my current machine. People like R3 that do monster builds certainly inspire some people to push the envelope as to what CAN be done. Martin has done some outstanding testing which has educated me an incredible amount as what I want to do when I do finally make the jump to water this winter. I enjoy people like Gabe, Dean, Eddy, and remaining company reps that will come here and post up a new product and field questions about it quite often before it even hits mainstream sites. I tend to keep to myself and just read, sorting the fact from the fiction or friction as it sometimes is here and post my thoughts only when they seem valid or helpful for the discussion. What I really like is some of the true innovation and pushing that has been done that influences manufacturers to make changes for the better of the hobby. It impresses me to no end how much influence a simple forum can have on a manufacturer.

Its unfortunate that sometimes people need a little smack down to get back to reality. Heres to a few more years of good reading and maybe actually learning something every now and then!

[Kayin]

Following suit with NaeKuh, I should be finalizing Mithril and hopefully pulling the cover off my new block materials.

I can say confidently that nobody has ever played with this stuff.

[skinnee]

Variable DC power supply arrives tomorrow...let the official skinnee labs D5 pump testing begin!

[DarthBeavis]

It's Ludicrous to say the least! R3 is an asset to this community I don't care what anyone says! he had his beliefs sure but in no way did he deserve to be banned! I can name other pompous people that would deserve it much more than R3 ever would have but they have since left. I've been on alot of sites over the years & this is the first I've seen anything like this happen.

can one be pompous and gererous at the same time?
Enjoy the TribalOverkill resevoir bud.

[Utnorris]

can one be pompous and gererous at the same time?
Enjoy the TribalOverkill resevoir bud.

What the hell does this mean? Did you give 2low4u a tribal res? If so, are you holding that over his head because he spoke out. I thought this was a dead issue since nothing was going to change the outcome, but if you guys really want to start it back up,well........................

[DarthBeavis]

And i find it funny how when theres an alu thread, and people are indeed throwing money away by mixing metals, we dont flame the person who created the thread?
How is the situation any different?

R3 was strong on his vocal views, but he did bring about a lot of good stuff to the forum.

First off, who has closer relationship with vincent? Anyone wonder why vincent is missing to begin with?
Also, Ben, R3 was very close to ben, in fact if i wanted a favor from vincent or ben id pobably go though R3.

Can you Newbies say you have that many connections already associated in the short time it took him to get it?

Regardless of how much money he spent [you wanna count pennies? cuz i probably topple R3 by a factor of 2-3x in spending], the fact is he had connections. You wanna make more fun of inflated egos?

Try mine. However i back up my statements with proof, and i think i made quite a name for myself now that martin only proved what i said was true from the beginning.

So Guys STOP AND DROP THE R3 Matter, b4 we bring drama back into this forum.

Its OVER, and RESOLVED. Now its up to both partys to accept the punishment and move on. Thats all there is to it.

Dont justify and annalyze cuz it doesnt matter to you at all. The decission was handed down by the mods, if they want to talk about it, then its up to them, but i doubt they will.

So dont speculate, or second guess, or even analyze, you guys are turning into little 13 yr old girls who gossip behind people's backs, and its really disgusting.

YOU are important enough to contact Vincent or Ben yourself dude . . .or any other company (such as Danger Den) . . .not commenting about the person mentioned in your thread . . .just wanted to point out you should NOT sell yourself short! That goes for the rest of you senior XS guys (UtNorris, IandY, McCoffey . . .) . . .

[Sadasius]

What the hell does this mean? Did you give 2low4u a tribal res? If so, are you holding that over his head because he spoke out. I thought this was a dead issue since nothing was going to change the outcome, but if you guys really want to start it back up,well........................

Dude....What possible good can come from this? Can we try just a little harder here!

[DarthBeavis]

What the hell does this mean? Did you give 2low4u a tribal res? If so, are you holding that over his head because he spoke out. I thought this was a dead issue since nothing was going to change the outcome, but if you guys really want to start it back up,well........................

Just pointing out you should not judge someone bud . . .that is it . . .I don't hold stuff over people's head (I did know he was a big supporter of certain members whom I disgreed with but he also is a big fan of TO's work so I helped him out of water-cooling non-ghey brotherly love) . . .and I just saw this thread . . .I have NO position on anything that happened in my abscence . . .God knows I had to get my own attitude straightened out before coming back . . .

If someone says outright I should have been banned then I will address it . . .and hope to bury the hatchet by cementing a friendship . . .like I said . . .I recognize my attitude previously sucked . . .moving on . . .please forgive me if it sounded like I want to necromance a dead issue bud

[IanY]

Just bury the hachet and move on. Nothing good can come out of further discussion.

[MomijiTMO]

Well I'm not a flamer but it really must be addressed. I've seen how DB acts at [H]. I distinctly recall when some dude had a skulltrail rig, DB came in as said, "Here is mine" and posted images of the Danger Den Skulltrail case. The dude then said something like, "WTH, you don't have to compare?" followed by some colourful language. DB then said something negative about his pc and yeah . . . full on flame for a page. DB comes here to also post his ambitious builds and we praise him so. Things really got out of hand with the MM publicity in one of his builds and things were done that really should not have. Consequently contacts weren't so friendly.

DB has great ideas however it doesn't mean he is full of confidence like RRR is. I make the comparison to not see my self as some superior being, but to maybe give some my insight into DB. Don't take him the wrong way. The same can be made about RRR. He is full of confidence but his posts are not meant to be seen as aggressive like some people seem to interpret them.

So take a look from rose coloured glasses and have fun. Think about the poster and their apparent personality and use this to understand why they do what they do and say what they say. Few people here intentionally troll.

[DarthBeavis]

Well I'm not a flamer but it really must be addressed. I've seen how DB acts at [H]. I distinctly recall when some dude had a skulltrail rig, DB came in as said, "Here is mine" and posted images of the Danger Den Skulltrail case. The dude then said something like, "WTH, you don't have to compare?" followed by some colourful language. DB then said something negative about his pc and yeah . . . full on flame for a page. DB comes here to also post his ambitious builds and we praise him so. Things really got out of hand with the MM publicity in one of his builds and things were done that really should not have. Consequently contacts weren't so friendly.

DB has great ideas however it doesn't mean he is full of confidence like RRR is. I make the comparison to not see my self as some superior being, but to maybe give some my insight into DB. Don't take him the wrong way. The same can be made about RRR. He is full of confidence but his posts are not meant to be seen as aggressive like some people seem to interpret them.

So take a look from rose coloured glasses and have fun. Think about the poster and their apparent personality and use this to understand why they do what they do and say what they say.

That situtation at H was one of my more embrassing moments . . .I don't know what got into me but I had a wild hair up my rear end . . .had one here as well just before I left . . .anyways . . .please do not pull me into discussion about others . . .I create my own problems well enough and do not need to compound others' problems by my mistakes . . .I just want to come here and share my builds and perhaps help a little if I can . . .other than that . . .enjoy the scenery . . .we all have the same passion otherwise we would not be here . . .let's just focus on that

[Sadasius]

That situtation at H was one of my more embrassing moments . . .I don't know what got into me but I had a wild hair up my rear end . . .had one here as well just before I left . . .anyways . . .please do not pull me into discussion about others . . .I create my own problems well enough and do not need to compound others' problems by my mistakes . . .I just want to come here and share my builds and perhaps help a little if I can . . .other than that . . .enjoy the scenery . . .we all have the same passion otherwise we would not be here . . .let's just focus on that

Well said DB. I am pretty sure we all had our moments at one time or other on forums. I know I have as well. Important thing is to learn from them as you apparently have done.

[NaeKuh]

ive had clashes with DB.

Trust me, everyone have there off days.
Later we appologized, and things have been great between us.

DB doesnt however go inside a thread and force someone to get something.
He will show off, and when people question his experience thats when he flips.
People ignore his recomendation, he just walks away.

But not once in any of his threads did he push a product on us.

He blings a product on us, but never forces it to us.

Enough calling people out. Why dont we talk about what we intend to do in the future. Anyone have an intersting future project coming up?

[MomijiTMO]

That situtation at H was one of my more embrassing moments . . .I don't know what got into me but I had a wild hair up my rear end . . .had one here as well just before I left . . .anyways . . .please do not pull me into discussion about others . . .I create my own problems well enough and do not need to compound others' problems by my mistakes . . .I just want to come here and share my builds and perhaps help a little if I can . . .other than that . . .enjoy the scenery . . .we all have the same passion otherwise we would not be here . . .let's just focus on that

Of course we all have our moments. For example, in the bunny thread I posted a rude picture that should not be viewed by a minor. Errr brain fart? Oh yeah

I don't think my previous post can be seen as an attack so I made sure to make it clear in the first sentence. I see it as a defence of you as DB. If it must be known, from the little bit of information I know about you, I think you are a top guy who has one of the hardest jobs [stay at home dad right?]. Not only do you have the most difficult job known to humankind, but you also do these crazy pc builds on the side XD.

[NaeKuh]

No more calling people out!!!

Seriously... let the past stay in the past!

Look my future block rendered by Bei Fei. If you guys be nice i'll leak out more pictures in its design.

BEI FEI PRODUCT!


Lets play nice!

[DarthBeavis]

ive had clashes with DB.

Trust me, everyone have there off days.
Later we appologized, and things have been great between us.

DB doesnt however go inside a thread and force someone to get something.
He will show off, and when people question his experience thats when he flips.
People ignore his recomendation, he just walks away.

But not once in any of his threads did he push a product on us.

He blings a product on us, but never forces it to us.

Enough calling people out. Why dont we talk about what we intend to do in the future. Anyone have an intersting future project coming up?

Getting TRI-SLI on separate loops so I can not dump a load of heat from one GPU to the next . . .w00t. Wish I could afford (or had the energy to nag a sponsor for) the new Intel proc and one of the X58 SLI-ready mobos for it . . .

also . . .I am rebuildng my Globe PC as Crucial/Lexar apparently wants it in their booth at CES 2009 . . .working on pulling the new hardware now (should be latest and greatest) . . .also added fiber optic cities and will have Smooth Creations do some wild air-brushing of the continents . . .

[DarthBeavis]

No more calling people out!!!

Seriously... let the past stay in the past!

Look my future block rendered by Bei Fei. If you guys be nice i'll leak out more pictures in its design.

BEI FEI PRODUCT!


Lets play nice!

mmm, mofset block? yummy