do it in a civilize, non humiliating, non threatening, non flame baiting, non trolling, non too offensive manner(use common sense), then i am hopeful/sure we won't have problems arising...That is why we should post when a Vendor does not come clean with shoddy W/C'in products & out right lies about materials used to make the W/C'in parts .
.. I'm not upset at said member I'm upset at Koolance ,
this is all the mods ask. i am sure we can all come to terms in a peaceful non provoking manner.
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I think you're spot on. We all want to hear when something goes wrong or quality of parts just isn't meeting our expectations, this is a great place to do that sort of thing. What we don't want is someone that has some sort of business partnership bashing competitors for personal gain.
Quality control and customer service are two areas that are really difficult if not impossible to include in any sort of review. Without the ability to share personal experiences in these two areas, we'd never really know how they are unless it happend to us individually.
I think it's good stuff as long as all the details are included to tell the whole story...and I think we've been doing pretty well with that.
just hold back the urge for flaming and consult with the manufacturer or reseller before starting a thread
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I agree with the original post. At the same time I would also like to thank those who actually do stuff and share their findings, helping people like me make informed decisions. I won't mention names because of those I would forget to mention, but they are the ones that make me glad I joined this forum.
LOL it's so funny seeing some of the egos from this subforum "seeing the light" in this thread...
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its a normal behavioral pattern, seeing that you're wrong and that you wish to make amends is good.
now, not admitting you're wrong and you still continue doing wrong, now thats just thick-headedness or wounded ego talking...
I got a higher paying job offered to me when I needed it the most that also now incorporates my original love - sound engineering... Cathar fell in love with motorbikes n' race tracks n' petrol... dunno what happened to Maxx... s'just life gets in the way and some folks have to move on, others choose to move on. No-one forced us out / scared us off / pi**ed us off to the point we couldn't be arsed anymore... Some of us linger when we've nothing else to doYou guys ran off Marci, Cathar, and MaxxRacer from this forum
Gaaahh seriously can people just relax and back the hell down from their I AM BETTER THAN YOU tower. Seriously there seems to be 3 factions in the liquid cooling forum. You have the Texans, Anti-RRR guys and then people like me who don't give a hoot [the majority]. There seems to be this constant thread slapping in a thread every time I visit this place. It's stupid. No one cares who you are or what you do with your money that you earned through hard work. If RRR wants to buy 40 TCs, let him. If some dude doesn't like MM let them. If someone uses TT blocks because they already had them and can't afford to upgrade atm, let them.
We make suggestions and the guys that have been doing this for years and have say 5 pumps etc are very helpful. However it seems that due to previous throat slicing that these fellas are less willing to help due to flamming or have resorted to flamming people who are trying to push a stupid idea [metal mixing etc]. If you think it's stupid, DON'T POST. That's what I do.
It has come to someone being banned for reasons I do not know and then some people start slapping each other and the mods for the action. Very few people do get banned in XS so unless you have been talking to banned person or the mods, then you don't know what happened. Hopefully they will return to XS after their ban and won't do whatever happened again. Don't forget you can get banned from accumulating too many infraction points from minor things too.
EDIT : Due to another thread being closed, I will say it here. This is XS, not fricken high school. There is more drama on XS than I ever had in school. Most of you are older [and wiser] than me so com'on why are you making me say the obvious.
Last edited by MomijiTMO; 10-31-2008 at 08:05 PM.
There is more than meets the eye here and since I beleive in honesty this thread by IanY that I just closed and moved to dead threads is all because RRR had his access pulled to the WC section 2 hours ago by one of the admin.
I don't know the details yet but this has been coming for a long time.
IanY's decision to leave was based on what happenned to RRR, it had not one thing to do with him but he chose to make it so.
Pure drama for lack of a better description.
He told me weeks ago that if RRR was banned that "he and a small group would be leaving" So be it,that is his choice.
Have a nice life but no dramatics.
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Welcome back!
Thanks for letting us know what happened MM, I can tell you it's much appreciated. Good for the forum I say, the less drama the better.
Well I for one don't want to see anyone being run off or leaving XS. However it appears threads like this had minimal impact and obviously bans, friendly warnings in posts, infraction points etc doesn't seem to do much to stop the flames so I say just close the entire Liquid Cooling forum. End of story, move along fellas. If it continues it will happen. Speak freely died.
Don't be silly momo!
You're over-stressed from studying for exams.
Take a break bro
It's Ludicrous to say the least! R3 is an asset to this community I don't care what anyone says! he had his beliefs sure but in no way did he deserve to be banned! I can name other pompous people that would deserve it much more than R3 ever would have but they have since left. I've been on alot of sites over the years & this is the first I've seen anything like this happen.
Dude it's not really your place to comment on such things. From what I've been told, few people know or understand why RealRedRaider was banned and until we know [assuming we will ever know], just let it slide. There are no vendettas by mods on XS so I assume there is a solid reason why he was banned OR it was a mistake OR an over reaction. I don't understand why everyone is going ballistic until you know what happened. You can't think a XS staff decided to ban him because he say informed us of new BP/MM products right? Either way, I fail to see how this severely impacts on your XS experience and if you think the mods are over zealous, then there are plenty of other forums out there. I don't really care to assess the actions of a XS staff member so don't ask me what I think.
This entire ordeal is just....... sad.
And yes, losing RRR and IanY, however abrasive you may think they are, would be a loss to this community.
Cool!
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Well yes of course losing them and others would suck quite a lot and then some.This entire ordeal is just....... sad.
And yes, losing RRR and IanY, however abrasive you may think they are, would be a loss to this community.
IMO.
Not really.
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Agreed. Clearly, whoever the banning party/parties were had a solid reason to do so...you may disagree with mods and admins (I often do), but I doubt any of them have a personal grievance with RRR or Ian...maybe he was more of a PITA to the staff than we were aware of.Dude it's not really your place to comment on such things. From what I've been told, few people know or understand why RealRedRaider was banned and until we know [assuming we will ever know], just let it slide. There are no vendettas by mods on XS so I assume there is a solid reason why he was banned OR it was a mistake OR an over reaction. I don't understand why everyone is going ballistic until you know what happened. You can't think a XS staff decided to ban him because he say informed us of new BP/MM products right? Either way, I fail to see how this severely impacts on your XS experience and if you think the mods are over zealous, then there are plenty of other forums out there
and what then of the fact that r3 himself has not been told why the ban??!!
Obviously something happened today that said to the admin here that it was time that RRR be removed from the WC section. I still am finding out details on that.
personally and just speaking for myself the only issue I ever had with RRR is that he came across as either the biggest fanboy in existance for MM cases and for that etailer or that he was working for their interests.
That was just my feeling and the cause of the post I did weeks ago on the issue. He has stated that he doesn't work for them and I will accept that. I also spoke to Ben Rising at MM on this issue and he confirms that RRR is just a customer.
On a one to one basis I've spoken with RRR many times and he seems like a decent guy to me. Articulate and very easy to talk with so I'm stating that there is no personal issue between us.
IanY on the other hand is a different situation.
I've known him for close to two years I think and at first really liked the guy even though I saw he was very quick to rise to anger on even the smallest of issues. Then there was the issue with the cars that spoke to his credibility and even then I supported the guy when others were telling me he was just tossing BS.
Then in the last months I've seen him progress to the next step.
Almost a martyr complex from what I saw based on his posts, his titles and his sig.
Maybe it is best for him and the forum as a whole that he takes a break from this place and gets his head screwed on right.
I don't say any of this in anger but just based on what I saw.
I wish it could be different. The IanY I met a couple years ago was a guy that I would have liked to get to know better.
Maybe a break from here can get that guy back to what he was. I hope so.
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My thoughts EXACTLY
Especially the bolded text... Seriously hit the nail on the head
Some people may think me old fashioned in my beleifs but you guys hear me say 'friends first"
A forum is a place where people exchange information and all benefit by that exchange but it only works when it's done in a pleasant atmosphere for all.
This constant bickering between different factions takes away from what we all come here for and God's truth there's times when I think that is these peoples plan. To try and break up what we have here and friend or not, new member or old member, that I won't allow to happen.
The Xs forum in general, and the WC section in particular, is greater than any one individual and all the mods try and do is keep the peace so that the members can come here and learn amongst friends.
It used to be that way and it will be that way again.
It is really that simple to me.
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Cool!Seems to have hit a nerve there buddy! A bit personal for my liking...
Well said MM. Thanks for you're continuing professional approach to the job at hand.
I can't help but think that my post about G.A.S. (Gear/Guitar Acquisition Syndrome) and the response I received from RCubed had something to do with his banning? I didn't intend nor did I fathom that my comment implied that RRR was wasting his money, but he seemed to think so and was determined to let me know? Regardless, the "welcome" to the forum and to his thread was pure "internet drama" and didn't bother me the least. I just kinda found the whole affair to be an expected response from a person who's very eh.. *chooses his words carefuly* defensive about what he's doing. We all have G.A.S. If we didn't, we'd be happy with the brown box that's shipped from Lenovo/Dell/HP, received about a week after you click "submit" on their web order forum.
The rest of the crowd said to set sail to other corners of the internet - just names I've seen from lurking on XS who I don't really know anything about. I read the RRR thread cause he had some gear that I recently purchased that got me searching and lead me to XS; RRR and I were/are going down the same path albeit in different 'vehicles'.
Reading & learning is the beauty of this medium, all made possible by the ones who take the time to share their experience for the benefit of all. But it's a fact of life that drama and ego are a part of any community no matter the intention of the community. In this format, we're left with a few omnipotent members, The MODS, who restore order when the balance of learning and drama gets swung too far to the side of drama. All fear the MODS!
Last edited by shellac; 11-01-2008 at 01:53 AM. Reason: clarity
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