Deneb just around the corner?

[keithlm]

Deneb is just a shrink with some extra cache,

The "it's only a die shrink" people remind me of the movie "Life of Brian" about the Romans.

"Deneb is just a shrink. Well okay they did add some cache. Oh yeah and they also increased it to 48-way instead of 32-way. And yes they also probably optimized some of the routines in the processor. And changed cool and quiet for efficiency. Perhaps they tweaked the HT. And perhaps they worked on things we don't know about. But other than those minor things it's just a shrink so what can we expect."

[Chad Boga]

The "it's only a die shrink" people remind me of the movie "Life of Brian" about the Romans.

"Deneb is just a shrink. Well okay they did add some cache. Oh yeah and they also increased it to 48-way instead of 32-way. And yes they also probably optimized some of the routines in the processor. And changed cool and quiet for efficiency. Perhaps they tweaked the HT. And perhaps they worked on things we don't know about. But other than those minor things it's just a shrink so what can we expect."

So what is your fearless prediction for IPC improvement for Deneb over Phenom?

[keithlm]

So what is your fearless prediction for IPC improvement for Deneb over Phenom?

Why should I make one because of a request from a known Intel fanhat?

You don't appear to accept what would be a logical amount even if it was "just a shrink" as you claim; attempting to understand anything more than that might push past the limits of your abilities.

[Chad Boga]

Why should I make one because of a request from a known Intel fanhat?

You don't appear to accept what would be a logical amount even if it was "just a shrink" as you claim; attempting to understand anything more than that might push past the limits of your abilities.

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

[Glow9]

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

Face it, everyone with a supporting motherboard has a new upgrade option without having to buy a brand new motherboard and DDR3.

[Chad Boga]

Face it, everyone with a supporting motherboard has a new upgrade option without having to buy a brand new motherboard and DDR3.

Sure.

[Oliverda]

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

IPC is not everything.

One of my expert friend says that the main problem with the K10 is in the memory subsystem. So I hope they could achieve some improvements in it.

Interesting performance analysis between Core 2 and K8. http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?Ar...2808015436&p=1

[keithlm]

Ahhhh so you are all bluster and are easily exposed when called upon it.

Face it, Deneb will clearly have less IPC than Penryn and will be lucky to equal Conroe.

Because I do not wish to open a dialog with you I am all "bluster" and "exposed".

You do realize that you are starting to look pathetic don't you?

I can't help it if you have silly ideas, including that I must be an Intel boy.

It would be hard to review this thread and NOT come to the conclusion that you are a helpless Intel fanhat.

[keithlm]

It appears you are one of these troubled souls who can only see people as either being an eternal Intel or AMD fan, rather than just someone who will ALWAYS buy the best processor regardless of who makes it.

Actually I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I shall attempt to put this in simple words that even someone with your diminished level of intelligence can understand: If you are NOT an Intel fanboy then you are something worse; you are someone trolling only for the purpose of causing negative responses and having no other purpose.

(Which you are increasingly proving to be true with each every one of your posts.)

Oh and BTW: Welcome to my ignore list. You do not have anything to contribute... therefore begone pest.

[Chad Boga]

Actually I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I shall attempt to put this in simple words that even someone with your diminished level of intelligence can understand: If you are NOT an Intel fanboy then you are something worse; you are someone trolling only for the purpose of causing negative responses and having no other purpose.

What an atrocious understanding you have of discussion forums and debates in general.

Due to your AMD Fanaticism you are demanding that no scrutiny ever be applied to outrageously optimistic predictions about AMD products, that this forum should only be about praising AMD.

amd stated themselves that there will be a 15-20% ipc boost. as far as i have seen no one here has said of any boost greater than that.

Well I maintain that is an unrealistic expectation for across the board performance increases.

no one here has made over the top performance predictions.

Claiming 15 to 20% is over the top in my view.

and its more than just a shrink and more cache.

Everytime a company shrinks and adds cache they will do some tidy up of the existing design and it never results in major improvements, so I am sticking with my description of it just being a shrink and cache addage.

BTW, If I am wrong about how much Deneb improves, I will come on here and readily concede that.