To everyone in the WC section, Please read!

[MomijiTMO]

I'd like to know who you even think you are in telling me it isn't my place? lol I don't think it was right with knowing what I did so I spoke out about it. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Well you said -

It's Ludicrous to say the least! R3 is an asset to this community I don't care what anyone says! he had his beliefs sure but in no way did he deserve to be banned!

This pretty much says you think the mods actions are stupid and whether you intended it to be a 'the mods suck, RRR is awesome', that's how it is. You can't just say stuff like that. It just turds all over XS. If you don't know already, the usual path of events is someone gets banned, people kick up a stink and also get the hammer.

He received all to much praise for what he did here. For some reason people thought of him so highly but in all honesty he never did anything to deserve this status. His worklog was measly and he barely got anything done none of it was all that amazing (compare to coolmeister, virtualrain, Evil-98, tremolos, malik, and many others), at least 50% of the posts in that thread were spamming useless fodder.

Yeah I completely see it from your point of view from a water cooling 'great' which he is often grouped with. However, he is often one of the first to post in a nub wc question which is great because we don't have to. He offers solid advice with regards to a basic wc set up and nowadays doesn't start with "No EK " or some other garbage. He has come a LOOOOOONG way and I think a lot of the newer people appreciate his high level of activity on this site as he responds quickly to their nub questions etc. So as a nub straightener, he is an asset to the LC sub forum

[septim]

well to some hot blooded guys out there, i suggest you cool off, think about what you're gonna post next for a few minutes or hours... then calmly post...

utnorris, i understand andy's frustration, as i that is how it is daily near my store front... but i don't really let these colorful dramatics/schemes and baiting affect me...
still i hope some form of explanation will be given, at least in PM to an unbiased person regarding R3's matter...

[Utnorris]

well to some hot blooded guys out there, i suggest you cool off, think about what you're gonna post next for a few minutes or hours... then calmly post...

utnorris, i understand andy's frustration, as i that is how it is daily near my store front... but i don't really let these colorful dramatics/schemes and baiting affect me...
still i hope some form of explanation will be given, at least in PM to an unbiased person regarding R3's matter...

[CyberDruid]

Without speulation I can say that just from my own POV there is a nasty edge to a lot of the posts from a pretty regular group of waterheads. They seem to be pompous and self absorbed type of posts...generally spending their wit defending themselves and attacking what they see as weaknesses in other's reasoning or response. It's drama plain and simple...a way to pass the day and amuse one another. The problems arise (IMO) with all the overinflated egos. There's a kind of Hubris that is really grating on those of us that didn't start doing this a few months ago. This pedestal sitting and gloating in the ill found praise of those entirely lacking in experience is more than annoying..it detracts from the spirit of the Forum. It's not about Excess...it's about Extreme. There is nothing Extreme about throwing a ton of money at a rig...although an Extreme rig may cost a ton of money...and I think all the Dr. LongDollars, and Wannabee Richboyz leave a fetid aroma for the rest of us to wade through just to try and glean a few kernels of wisdom from an LC thread.

In short it's been a drag.

[SiGfever]

Gentlemen,

This is a private forum and we do not know all the facts surrounding these issues. The mods here have the very tough job of overseeing more posts than we care to count. It is not an easy job and in most cases a thankless one. So much goes on behind the scenes that we are not privy to. All of the mods and admins that I have had dealings with have been very fair and patient people.

I do like R3 and Iany both and they also have very strong opinions about their views. I try to look beyond the post and see the overall person making it. A lot of us have strong opinions but some feel the need to vocalize it more than others. Each of us has something that we bring to this forum everyday that makes XS a very exciting place to visit. Sometimes tempers get heated and things are said or implied that can be taken wrong since we can not see the face of the person involved.

I have learned so much in so many areas from this great forum and the great people that frequent it that I hate to see any of them leave or have hard feelings amongst each other. This should be a place of learning and sharing of ideas not a place to prove who has the biggest epeen or widget. We were ALL noobs at one time and people coming here to learn because this forum is known for it's knowledge base can easily be scared off or worst affraid to ask a question for fear of being made a fool. We all learn something new everyday (if we are lucky) and should welcome the chance to pass on some of the knowledge that this and other forums has given us.

So lets put the past behind us because it IS gone, the future is yet to be and the here and now is all we truly have. We have in some ways become a dysfunctional family as of late and even the closest of relatives fight at times but life is too short to hold a grudge. I lift a glass and salute my fellow XS brethren and hope that we can make this section a fun place to visit again.

[Waterlogged]

Gentlemen,

This is a private forum and we do not know all the facts surrounding these issues. The mods here have the very tough job of overseeing more posts than we care to count. It is not an easy job and in most cases a thankless one. So much goes on behind the scenes that we are not privy to. All of the mods and admins that I have had dealings with have been very fair and patient people.

I do like R3 and Iany both and they also have very strong opinions about their views. I try to look beyond the post and see the overall person making it. A lot of us have strong opinions but some feel the need to vocalize it more than others. Each of us has something that we bring to this forum everyday that makes XS a very exciting place to visit. Sometimes tempers get heated and things are said or implied that can be taken wrong since we can not see the face of the person involved.

I have learned so much in so many areas from this great forum and the great people that frequent it that I hate to see any of them leave or have hard feelings amongst each other. This should be a place of learning and sharing of ideas not a place to prove who has the biggest epeen or widget. We were ALL noobs at one time and people coming here to learn because this forum is known for it's knowledge base can easily be scared off or worst affraid to ask a question for fear of being made a fool. We all learn something new everyday (if we are lucky) and should welcome the chance to pass on some of the knowledge that this and other forums has given us.

So lets put the past behind us because it IS gone, the future is yet to be and the here and now is all we truly have. We have in some ways become a dysfunctional family as of late and even the closest of relatives fight at times but life is too short to hold a grudge. I lift a glass and salute my fellow XS brethren and hope that we can make this section a fun place to visit again.

Make mine a milk please, my stomach is actin' up from too much Coke.

[Omastar]

Make mine a milk please, my stomach is actin' up from too much Coke.

Coke contains carbonic acid--just raises the pH of an upset stomach even more. Where did that lie ever even originate?

[septim]

From back in the day when Coke was first made containing extracts from the Coca plant and still contained traces of cocaine. Coke was first advertised as medicinal and a pick me up. It is the coke syrup that is supposed help upset stomachs, not flat Coke as it's told today with the carbonic acid from carbonation left in.

andyc

we learn something new every day around here. :thumbs up:

[SiGfever]

From back in the day when Coke was first made containing extracts from the Coca plant and still contained traces of cocaine. Coke was first advertised as medicinal and a pick me up. It is the coke syrup that is supposed help upset stomachs, not flat Coke as it's told today with the carbonic acid from carbonation left in.

andyc

They didn't name it Coca-Cola for no reason.

As did Dr. Pepper, give you that pick me up at 10, 2 and 4.

[dengyong]

From back in the day when Coke was first made containing extracts from the Coca plant and still contained traces of cocaine. Coke was first advertised as medicinal and a pick me up. It is the coke syrup that is supposed help upset stomachs, not flat Coke as it's told today with the carbonic acid from carbonation left in.

andyc

Colas still contain phosphoric acid, flat or not.

[Kayin]

Funniest of all, I didn't even notice RRR was banned. I was trying to get IFMU sorted on a VGA block.

I'll say this. I have been a mod with banhammer on two very large forums. I have seen numerous circumstances where the community at large has no idea WHAT goes on behind closed doors, and there are instances where a peson has said or done something in private that is just way beyond banworthy, and they get it, and the community is mystified. What's done is done, the mods I know have good reason, and I'm not sure I have to know that reason (Doesn't mean I'm not curious, RRR was always rather polite to me.)

Maybe it's the hard transition from way too enthusiastic about water to attempted block maker that's clouding my eyes on what happened, but I missed a lot of it. Fanboyism I saw, a bit of rudeness I saw, but some of these things I never noticed. All I have to say is thank God the mods restored some order around here a little while back. It's been a new site, honestly.

[septim]

its just to unfair to think that you could get banned without notification of what post offended whom...

Maybe it's the hard transition from way too enthusiastic about water to attempted block maker that's clouding my eyes on what happened, but I missed a lot of it. Fanboyism I saw, a bit of rudeness I saw, but some of these things I never noticed. All I have to say is thank God the mods restored some order around here a little while back. It's been a new site, honestly.

agreed with you here.

changing R3's attitude took a lot of will and self refining for him, and we saw results. he has been trying very hard for the past few weeks, it is really sad that we won't see results of all those parts he bought and waited for assembled to functionality...

seldom you see a guy who works hard for his money, reads up on whats best for him, then buys em by the volume and is happy about it.
for the past few weeks, often i see lots of envious people of this guy and makes fun of him, naturally he'll be defensive...
in a lot of threads he post in, there are a lot of trolls following him, an almost everyday normal thing for him...

I would lobby to unban RRR. or at least tell us if its just vacation time or Perma ban...

[Utnorris]

It is true that this site has gotten nasty at times. People will post a question and then get bashed because some members feel it is a ridiculous question. It is true at times R3 promoted certain products that he had ordered, MM, BP, etc. However, I have seen a lot folks do this, including myself, because when you find a product that works for you it is natural you will think it will work for everyone. We sometimes forget that we are not all alike, nor do we think alike. What got my goat most recently was the "Sidewinders" thread. R3 posted that they would be carrying the Aqua blocks and then some folks got on there and started saying he was working for Sidewinders and that the thread was a promotion thread at which point R3 defended himself. I looked at it this way, if we can start a thread about one site, we should be able to start a thread about any site. When the "Why I love Petra's" thread was started R3 came in there and posted about Sidewinders and I told him that was not the place to talk about Sidewinders, that he needed to start a thread for Sidewinders if he felt so passionate about them. When he did, he got called a Fanboy. When he recommends MM to people or BP to people, both which he owns, he gets called a Fanboy. When Naekuh (sorry, just an example) recommends Koolance or I recommend Koolance to people for their fittings, no one accuses us of being Fanboys. Granted, you always get someone that will bring up the aluminum debate, but when done properly it is a good thing. From where I sit it looks like R3 was singled out for these reasons. I don't care what the reasons are, my main objective is that folks get treated fairly and if you are going to ban someone for that then I can rattle off a bunch of folks in here that should be banned for being EK Fanboys, BP Fanboys, Swiftech Fanboys, Feser Fanboys, Thermochill Fnaboys, Danger Den Fanboys and so on, including myself. Should we all be banned? Well what about the abrasiveness, go take a look at the "Why do you guys still support EK" thread and then talk to me about abrasiveness, even Movieman got into the act on bashing the OP. Whether it was justified or not, the OP asked a legitimate question, although he could have been clearer and more tactful, he still did not deserve to be bashed for asking the question. This is just my opinion and I am done talking about this. I only hope that there will be a reconsideration on the ban, maybe with conditions if the mods feel it is necessary, but still should be looked at.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

It is true that this site has gotten nasty at times. People will post a question and then get bashed because some members feel it is a ridiculous question. It is true at times R3 promoted certain products that he had ordered, MM, BP, etc. However, I have seen a lot folks do this, including myself, because when you find a product that works for you it is natural you will think it will work for everyone. We sometimes forget that we are not all alike, nor do we think alike. What got my goat most recently was the "Sidewinders" thread. R3 posted that they would be carrying the Aqua blocks and then some folks got on there and started saying he was working for Sidewinders and that the thread was a promotion thread at which point R3 defended himself. I looked at it this way, if we can start a thread about one site, we should be able to start a thread about any site. When the "Why I love Petra's" thread was started R3 came in there and posted about Sidewinders and I told him that was not the place to talk about Sidewinders, that he needed to start a thread for Sidewinders if he felt so passionate about them. When he did, he got called a Fanboy. When he recommends MM to people or BP to people, both which he owns, he gets called a Fanboy. When Naekuh (sorry, just an example) recommends Koolance or I recommend Koolance to people for their fittings, no one accuses us of being Fanboys. Granted, you always get someone that will bring up the aluminum debate, but when done properly it is a good thing. From where I sit it looks like R3 was singled out for these reasons. I don't care what the reasons are, my main objective is that folks get treated fairly and if you are going to ban someone for that then I can rattle off a bunch of folks in here that should be banned for being EK Fanboys, BP Fanboys, Swiftech Fanboys, Feser Fanboys, Thermochill Fnaboys, Danger Den Fanboys and so on, including myself. Should we all be banned? Well what about the abrasiveness, go take a look at the "Why do you guys still support EK" thread and then talk to me about abrasiveness, even Movieman got into the act on bashing the OP. Whether it was justified or not, the OP asked a legitimate question, although he could have been clearer and more tactful, he still did not deserve to be bashed for asking the question. This is just my opinion and I am done talking about this. I only hope that there will be a reconsideration on the ban, maybe with conditions if the mods feel it is necessary, but still should be looked at.

It's important to realize that he was most likely not banned for anything related to fanboy-ism but a direct offense in another situation (public or private who knows) that put a mod over the edge.

no, no one should be banned for fanboyism but I think we can all agree that R3 was a bit more abrasive in that manner than others.

[fox3]

It is true that this site has gotten nasty at times. People will post a question and then get bashed because some members feel it is a ridiculous question.

This sorta happened to me here. And with some heavy hitters at that when it came to too much flow in a loop. But for the most part it was done respectfuly and to correct some misconceptions was thort I might of had. No chest thumping. I still have my beliefs but know there are other philosophys out there to consider, and I will.

It is the cheerleaders that I feel are a problem. Words are posted and then "one" will jump on that and try to get a laugh at anothers expense. Things are said, toes get stepped on and then posts get deleted, no one gets to see the king when he had no clothes. Not talking about RealRedRaider here BTW. Still the majority of the forum is unaware unless it is brought up.

RRR seems to be a confident stand up guy and that might bother some. He did seem to be less exhuberant the last week but I still enjoy his perspective. I also was interested how his build would work out and hope his "ban" is just a tempory warning.

[coolmiester]

Has anyone PM'd DarthBeavis as he may consider coming back now??

[kinghong1970]

Y'all need to just move your hands from your keyboards,
turn off your computers... just for a while..
go out the door...
take a deep breath..

and have some
Boom Dee Yaa Daa Time...

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Has anyone PM'd DarthBeavis as he may consider coming back now??

I'll see if I can get him on the line over at DD forums

[dopestuff]

Y'all need to just move your hands from your keyboards,
turn off your computers... just for a while..
go out the door...
take a deep breath..

and have some
Boom Dee Yaa Daa Time...

great song kingkong that almost let me wet my pants

and yeah people need to lighten up this place if for fun and we all come here in our free will (ok some not anymore because of the addiction like me )
but in the end we are all here just to share our passion and have a good time and nobody comes here to get "yelled" uppon (for that part god invented girlfriends )

greatings to you all, dope

[[XC] riptide]

Move on....

The reasons were solid, and peer reviewed.

[Sadasius]

Would it be wicked of me to say....YAY! No need to convince me it was a right decision that is for sure.

[CyberDruid]

Has anyone PM'd DarthBeavis as he may consider coming back now??

I emailed him and that seemed to work

[Kayin]

I did not doubt that it was solid AND peer reviewed. As I've said, I have experience in this.

However, many have wondered, was it a short trip, or was it a permanent vacation, if I may ask? While I wonder about the reason as well, I do not believe it is meant for public knowledge. If you meant it for such, you would have said it.

[Freaky Freezer]

Without speulation I can say that just from my own POV there is a nasty edge to a lot of the posts from a pretty regular group of waterheads. They seem to be pompous and self absorbed type of posts...generally spending their wit defending themselves and attacking what they see as weaknesses in other's reasoning or response. It's drama plain and simple...a way to pass the day and amuse one another. The problems arise (IMO) with all the overinflated egos. There's a kind of Hubris that is really grating on those of us that didn't start doing this a few months ago. This pedestal sitting and gloating in the ill found praise of those entirely lacking in experience is more than annoying..it detracts from the spirit of the Forum. It's not about Excess...it's about Extreme. There is nothing Extreme about throwing a ton of money at a rig...although an Extreme rig may cost a ton of money...and I think all the Dr. LongDollars, and Wannabee Richboyz leave a fetid aroma for the rest of us to wade through just to try and glean a few kernels of wisdom from an LC thread.

In short it's been a drag.

These are words of a scholar and a gentelmen in explaining what was going on here. Also from my own experience, almost every post from RRR and IanY were written in a manner to subtly offend or piss someone off. Then the rest of there clan/flunkies would come out of the wood work to pounce on whoever tried to defend themself or call them out on their snubby little comments. They offended and turned off just as many "noobs" from this forum that they helped.

And CD's analysis of the whole "I'm the Donald Trump of watercooling and your computer sucks unless you spend $15,000 on it" was very annoying and just plain un-helpful to newcomers to watercooling. I can't imagine how many more members there would be to watercoling and this forum had it not been for that little "clic" basically telling newcomers that spending $250-$500 on there watercooling parts would only produce "average" results that were no better than air-cooling.

I literally stopped coming here a few weeks ago, only checking my older subscribed thread for new comments. I will definitely be visting much more frequently now that they are gone.

[NaeKuh]

Guys..

R3 is a friend of mine.

The mods/admins here are also really good friends of mine.

So lets not make things worse and dig up dead skeletons from the closet please.

Just DROP the matter regarding R3, its a heart ache to both parties. In a sense, no side won, both sides really lost.

So just DROP making fun of R3.

The issue is over, and its passed. Why go back in time and repeat talking about the mistakes, when they were already resolved?