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    Asus Maximus II Formula - Problems & Fixes

    Hey guys, I just bought this board and figured instead of having to troll through 60 pages in the M2F thread, I'd summarize what I could here similarly to how someone did for the P5WDH. I hope this helps! Many thanks to all contributors to the existing threads.

    Asus Maximus II Formula P45 Motherboard - Problems & Fixes
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    In an effort to keep threads organized, please only use this thread to post overclock settings and SOLUTIONS to issues. Use the other threads below for discussion. Thank you.


    Additional information:
    ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?
    How to set up GTL Ref Values for 45nm & 65nm

    BIOS

    Latest: 1802
    Recommended: 1307

    1802
    - Fixed multi bug
    - Pull ins not working
    1702
    - Multi is still stuck
    1602
    [ 1602 ]
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    1. Fix Intel 45nm Quad Core CPU ustability issue
    2. Fix show wrong Vcore in AI Suite
    3. Fix it take too many time to detect SATA Device under AHCI Mode
    Possible multiplier lock issue (unable to change)

    1403 - issues with long post @ SATA stage
    1307
    1307 - KET modified
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    0802
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    0604
    0503
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    "EDIT - I also do not know where/how Solarfall got bios version 603, all i can find is 604. I have tried 1307, 701 & 801 and all of them had the same limits, but 1307 recovers from a failed overclock properly, whereas the older bioses do not, requiring a power off at the PSU switch."
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1038

    Problems & Fixes

    Will not boot / hangs / CMOS reset to POST after overclock
    Ensure difference between vFSB and vNB is no more than ~0.11v. This seems to help on some people's configurations, but maybe not all.
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=996

    Very high northbridge temperatures
    See below for remounting the heatpipe with more pressure on the NB.

    Booting from Speeding HDD (possible solution)
    Install a bootable drive on Primary Intel SATA port, select External Disk 0 as the second bootable drive, in the bios selection of bootable drives.
    After installing a new windows on the Speeding HDD drives, it will present an OS selection after the first reset.
    (thanks Gunnz Akimbo)

    Cooling

    Northbridge


    Swiftech MCW30


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    EK-NB Asus HP


    MOSFET


    Template


    Code:
    Processor:  QX9770
    Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
    OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
    Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
    FSB Frequency: 467
    CPU Clock Skew: Normal
    NB Clock Skew: Normal
    FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
    DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1122MHz
    
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 300ps
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 300ps
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps
    DRAM Timing Control: Manual
    
    1st Information: 
    
    CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
    DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
    DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
    RAS# to RAS# Delay:  Auto
    Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
    Write Recovery Time: Auto
    Read to Precharge Time: Auto
    
    2nd Information:
    
    Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
    Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
    Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
    Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
    Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
    Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
    Write to Write Delay (D): Auto
    
    
    3rd Information:
    
    Write to PRE Delay: Auto
    Read to PRE Delay: Auto
    PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
    All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
    All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
    DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
    DRAM Read Training: Auto
    MEM. OC Charger: Auto
    Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
    Ai Transaction Booster: Manual
    
    Common Performance Level: 8
    Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
    Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
    Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
    Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
    Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
    Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled
    
    PCIE Frequency: 101
    
    CPU Voltage: 1.41875
    CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50
    FSB Termination Voltage: 1.35175
    DRAM Voltage: 2.15775
    North Bridge Voltage: 1.39150
    South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
    South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10
    
    CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
    CPU GTL Reference (1):-40mv
    CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
    CPU GTL Reference (3):-40mv
    NB GTL Reference: Auto
    DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
    DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
    North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto
    
    
    CPU Configuration:
    
    Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
    C1E Support: Disabled
    Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
    Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
    CPU TM Function: Disabled
    Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
    
    Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
    CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
    PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled



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    Try positive GTL ref voltages.
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    2008.12.11
    - Added new 1802 BIOS
    2008.11.27
    - Added new 1702 BIOS
    2008.11.13
    - Added new 1602 BIOS
    2008.10.30
    - Added more info about the heatpipe
    2008.10.28
    - Added EK-NB Asus block
    2008.10.23
    - Added cstkl1 E8600 overclock
    2008.10.22
    - Amended 0.11V vFSB/vNB problem/fix
    - Changed BIOS template
    - Added 1403 BIOS + link to SATA issue
    Last edited by zoob; 12-11-2008 at 06:42 AM.
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    I think it is not good idea to create the thread about m2f which already exists.

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    (Yer but huge threads are pathetic to find quick info)


    Booting from Speeding HDD (possible solution)
    Install a bootable drive on Primary Intel SATA port,
    select External Disk 0 as the second bootable drive, in the bios selection of bootable drives.
    After installing a new windows on the Speeding HDD drives, it will present a OS selection after the first reset.

    (If this is already explained, i'll delete it later)

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    Nice Job. i like it! I've been hunting for kets 1307 for a while.
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    Will not boot / hangs / CMOS reset to POST after overclock
    Ensure difference between vFSB and vNB is no more than ~0.11v
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=996
    TS this is BS...
    and i can prove it in many settings that are super stable with proof...
    1.325 vNB...
    at vnb... u can still go to the lowest vFSB...
    but after 1.325 vnb.. the vFSB must be more than 1.16.. with each going exactly the same step up...

    try it.
    Last edited by cstkl1; 10-21-2008 at 11:59 AM.

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    Here is my latest template:

    PHP Code:

    Processor
    :  QX9770
    Ai Overclock Tuner
    Manual
    OC From CPU Level Up
    Auto
    Ratio CMOS Setting
    9
    FSB Frequency
    467
    CPU Clock Skew
    Normal
    NB Clock Skew
    Normal
    FSB Strap to North Bridge
    333
    DRAM Frequency
    DDR2-1122MHz

    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1
    Advance 300ps
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2
    Advance 300ps
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1
    Advance 300ps
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2
    Advance 300ps
    DRAM Timing Control
    Manual

    [B]1st Information
    [/
    B]
    CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
    DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
    DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
    RAS# to RAS# Delay:  Auto
    Row Refresh Recycle Time55 DRAM Clocks
    Write Recovery Time
    Auto
    Read to Precharge Time
    Auto

    [B]2nd Information:
    [/
    B]
    Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
    Write to Read Delay 
    (S): Auto
    Write to Read Delay 
    (D): Auto
    Read to Read Delay 
    (S): Auto
    Read to Read Delay 
    (D): Auto
    Write to Write Delay 
    (S): Auto
    Write to Write Delay 
    (D): Auto


    [B]3rd Information:
    [/
    B]
    Write to PRE DelayAuto
    Read to PRE Delay
    Auto
    PRE to PRE Delay
    Auto
    All PRE to ACT Delay
    Auto
    All PRE to REF Delay
    Auto
    DRAM 
    Static Read ControlEnabled
    DRAM Read Training
    Auto
    MEM
    OC ChargerAuto
    Ai Clock Twister
    Moderate
    Ai Transaction Booster
    Manual

    Common Performance Level
    8
    Pull
    -in of CHA PH1Disabled
    Pull
    -in of CHA PH2Disabled
    Pull
    -in of CHA PH3Disabled
    Pull
    -in of CHB PH1Disabled
    Pull
    -in of CHB PH2Disabled
    Pull
    -in of CHB PH3Disabled

    PCIE Frequency
    101

    CPU Voltage
    1.41875
    CPU PLL Voltage
    1.50
    FSB Termination Voltage
    1.35175
    DRAM Voltage
    2.15775
    North Bridge Voltage
    1.39150
    South Bridge 1.5 Voltage
    1.50
    South Bridge 1.1 Voltage
    1.10

    CPU GTL Reference 
    (0): Auto
    CPU GTL Reference 
    (1):-40mv
    CPU GTL Reference 
    (2): Auto
    CPU GTL Reference 
    (3):-40mv
    NB GTL Reference
    Auto
    DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage
    Auto
    DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage
    Auto
    North Bridge DDR Reference
    Auto


    [B]CPU Configuration:
    [/
    B]
    Ratio CMOS Setting9
    C1E Support
    Disabled
    Max CPUID Value Limit
    Disabled
    Intel Virtualization Tech
    Disabled
    CPU TM 
    Function: Disabled
    Execute Disable Bit
    Disabled

    Load
    -Line CalibrationEnabled
    CPU Spread Spectrum
    Disabled
    PCIE Spread Spectrum
    Disabled 
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstkl1 View Post
    TS this is BS...
    and i can prove it in many settings that are super stable with proof...
    1.325 vNB...
    at vnb... u can still go to the lowest vFSB...
    but after 1.325 vnb.. the vFSB must be more than 1.16.. with each going exactly the same step up...

    try it.
    Not with my board, and others have had exactly the same behaviour as me. Yours may behave differently, but that does not make what myself and others have found to be true BS, so please avoid making sweeping general statements like that.

    As the vFSB gets higher, the allowable gap between vFSB & vNB increases, but not more than 0.15v - for example if I set 1.25 vFSB, I can run 1.4 vNB, but any higher it will hang on reboot with cleared cmos. When I run 1.10 - 1.2 vFSB, the limit of the gap is 0.11v, as I posted previously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryptiK View Post
    Not with my board, and others have had exactly the same behaviour as me. Yours may behave differently, but that does not make what myself and others have found to be true BS, so please avoid making sweeping general statements like that.

    As the vFSB gets higher, the allowable gap between vFSB & vNB increases, but not more than 0.15v - for example if I set 1.25 vFSB, I can run 1.4 vNB, but any higher it will hang on reboot with cleared cmos. When I run 1.10 - 1.2 vFSB, the limit of the gap is 0.11v, as I posted previously.
    dude i have 4 boards including a test unit..
    ure the one that did the general sweeping comment about the difference being 0.11..

    just called the FAE in taiwan.. pm me if u want his email/phone..
    and also agreed ure statement is not true of a 0.11v difference.

    i already told u above.. 1.16v fsb max NB is 1.32v..
    it changes depending on proc gtl. also tested on q6600,e6850,E8400,E8500,E8600,QX9650...
    after that its one step above.. so 1.17 fsb to 1.33.

    there is a max vNB to a certain vFSB
    but its vague and depends on gtl/vcore also. and not a fixed difference of 0.11v.

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    Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to start something here. I just thought it was a little inappropriate for you to say something I have proven with my own board and had reproduced by other guys BS. I first only made that observation about my own board. When other people had issues like I'd had, I recommended them keep the vdiff <0.11v and it solved their issues. Also another member independently verified it to be the same on his board. I'm not saying it is exactly 0.11v on every board, but it seems to be that way for at least mine and 2-3 other guys.

    I didn't go into the specifics of the max allowable difference increasing with increased vFSB, that does happen, but only slightly up to 0.15v, as I described. To be able to use 1.4vNB I have to set no less than 1.25 vFSB. I am using 1.336 vcore and GTL Vref voltage of ~0.78v.

    The interaction with vcore/GTL is something I have not tested. What vcore, cpu & GTL were you using where you were able to set 1.16 vFSB and 1.32 vNB?
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    I've amended the ~0.11V difference to reflect that it may only affect some configurations. It helped with my setup, which prompted me to create this summary thread so we can put all "weird" issues in one spot rather than dig through many many many pages of information. Coming to this board is a bit overwhelming after only having P5K and P5E boards where it's simple 0.XX multiplierse for GTL rather than percentages, so it's possible that tweaking GTL away from Auto will help in this regard.
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    Good job, zoob! Now I can see that it was a great idea
    I can help with MIIF very soon.

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    All i did to do a proper reboot is to increase the vfsb to 1.25 or more. Didn't notice the relation with the vNB though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterFlex View Post
    I think it is not good idea to create the thread about m2f which already exists.
    Better to have all the info collated into one thread in the first few posts rather than trudge through the 55+ (and increasing) paged M2F thread I'd say.

    Nice one zoob

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstkl1 View Post
    TS this is BS...
    and i can prove it in many settings that are super stable with proof...
    1.325 vNB...
    at vnb... u can still go to the lowest vFSB...
    but after 1.325 vnb.. the vFSB must be more than 1.16.. with each going exactly the same step up...

    try it.
    Maybe if you started your post with something a little less confrontational....
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    EK waterblocks also has a model for the NB that fits on the stock cooling assembly:

    http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/produc...roducts_id=309

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    Asus has posted a new bios v803 dated 10/22/2008?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiGfever View Post
    Asus has posted a new bios v803 dated 10/22/2008?
    Yah Sig, that's kinda weird. It's smaller in size than any other bios that has been posted, 614kb vs. +800kb. Also strange that the naming convention of ascending numbers was not followed...

    Not sure what to make of it...

    I'm suspicious that it is in the wrong motherboard section. Notice that there are no release notes either. Very odd indeed.
    ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe - Bios 0706, I-7 2600K @ 3.4 Air, ZALMAN CNPS9500, CORSAIR Vengeance DDR3 8GB (2 x 4GB) @ 1600, EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 256-bit GDDR5, Intel 320 Series 160GB SATA II (SSD), WD 1.5TB SATA 6.0Gb/s, LIAN LI PC-7B Plus II, Corsair 750TX 750W PSU

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    Ah, just click on it and you can resolve the mystery. It is for a P5Q-SE series board (P5Q-ASUS-SE-0803.zip)

    Someone at ASUS obviously dumped it into the wrong bios section of the archives. I'm not sure i would trust ANY bios that showed up on a Friday afternoon, or a Monday morning for that matter...

    Last edited by Ender3rd; 10-24-2008 at 04:48 PM.
    ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe - Bios 0706, I-7 2600K @ 3.4 Air, ZALMAN CNPS9500, CORSAIR Vengeance DDR3 8GB (2 x 4GB) @ 1600, EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB 256-bit GDDR5, Intel 320 Series 160GB SATA II (SSD), WD 1.5TB SATA 6.0Gb/s, LIAN LI PC-7B Plus II, Corsair 750TX 750W PSU

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