Most Disappointing Hardware Release (2008)

[Klarko]

The GTX 280 is ahead of the 4870 in single card performance.

HAHA good joke, it better be ahead of it if it's 300$+ more at launch, aka twice the price...

[Mr.Guvernment]

All of nVidia's relaunch/renaming based on older cards.

+ infinity.

+

OCZ SSD's...

Dunno if you noticed but it seems ALL Nivida cards at release are just stupidly overpriced. 6800GT Ultra,7800's ect and 8800GTS GTX and Ultra play in mind here.

I payed $425 for my 8800GTS and that was only like 2 years ago the GTX's were like $550 now that i got this 4850 and for only $185 3 months ago it just makes me sick how expensive nvidia is and i will never ever buy from them again until they lower there prices on new hardware to be comparible to what ATI is doing

since both finally got busted for price fixing NVIDIA should be coming down slowly now from their inflated ego, i mean prices..

[cloned]

no1 said creative fatality pro, thats a huge let down

Anything fatality sucks, no one is expecting it to do good so it can't really be a let down.

Yes, but there's a single card called 4870X2 and it's much faster than a gtx280.

And gt200 is not bad per se but compared to rv770 it kinda of is. They're not bad cards but they're really bad products. And why people keep saying Phenon? It was released in 2007!

A X2 card can't really be called a single card seeing as it is still running in crossifre or SLI mode.

I am sure the Phenom 9950 and 9350e were released in 2008.

The latter was definitaly not good at all, the first was only able to perform as well as a Q6600 at stock frequency.

Far from being an Nvidia fan, I still dont consider the GTX 200's to be a let down. ATI maybe the better buy right now, but that doesnt make the Nvidia cards bad.

As I was an AMD fan for years, I am still disappointed by their CPUs.

Phenom the series was released last year, late november If my memory serves me correctly.

The nvidia cards where a let down to me after seeing how much of an improvement their past 3 generations where over the last ones. My biggest disappoint ever was probably the HD 2000 line, they pretty much pulled a geforce 5.

[B.E.E.F.]

A X2 card can't really be called a single card seeing as it is still running in crossifre or SLI mode.

ATi has a single PCB. Therefore single, physical card.

[zanzabar]

ATi has a single PCB. Therefore single, physical card.

+1
1 pcb = 1 card, 2pcb = 2 cards IMO (unless its a header pcb for ports)

[Caparroz]

A X2 card can't really be called a single card seeing as it is still running in crossifre or SLI mode.
.

FWIW, it might have two hamsters running inside a wheel under the HSF but last I checked it was a single card.

[GoldenEye]

Intel Atom that had performance lik a Pentium III

[jcool]

+1
1 pcb = 1 card, 2pcb = 2 cards IMO (unless its a header pcb for ports)

What about the GX2 then
1 card with 2 PCBs lol
For me, I'd say a GX2 counts as 2 cards...

Intel Atom that had performance lik a Pentium III

Yeah right, forgot that one. Like I said, too much crap was released this year to keep track.

[Mungri]

Phenom the series was released last year, late november If my memory serves me correctly.

AMDs release on July 1st 2008 included the introduction to three new quad core processors. One of which is the 9950, which was released to fix the TLB erratum problems on the 9900. The other two released were products new to the market, the 9150e and the 9350e.

They were all worse then a lot of hardware released this year imo. I just couldnt remember the specific names at first so I just used 'Phenom'. But there were these phenoms released this year, so they count.

Actually, Phenom X3 (Tri Cores) were released this march, they win for the biggest dissapointment. Well, they werent a dissapointment, they were too predictable and useless to dissapoint anyone =D.

[Blacky]

Failures of this year? Omg that is a lot... lets see:

- Nvidia's whole 9 series of cards, because they are simply rebadged, cheap ass copies of a more than 2 year old card design
- Nvidia's crappy chipsets might have improved, but the 790i still can't compete with Intel when it comes to reliability. Corruption issues, bad raid drivers and a whole lot more, no thank you
- Nvidia STILL not being able to manufacture GTX 280 cards that don't overheat. From the dozen GTX 280 I have used for customer builds so far, around 40% of them were crashing at >110C core after 2 minutes of Furmark. WATERCOOLED cards, no less. Had some fun RMAing 3000$ worth of GFX cards
- Intels 45nm Quadcore lineup. C0 CPUs mostly had crap FSB capabilities, and no usable mult to speak of until recently.
- Phenom still blows of course, which is sad
- Samsung ing F1 drives. Almost every 1TB drive I got died, some of the 640's too. WD FTW!

I bet I forgot loads, so much crap was released this year, it's hard to keep track.

I Agree with most of these points, but I don't agree about the GT200, they aren't bad cards or they aren't a flop, only the prices make them look like that specially the first price launch.

My list:

Good:

P45 chipsets
Core 2 Duo E8400 - E8500
ATi 48XX series
OCZ SSD Core series V2

Disappointing

Seagate Single platter
Quad 9300 - 9450 etc
Phenoms (and yes the new ones released THIS year)
DDR3 still sucks (gaming perspective), but at least prices went down a bit
Most of nvidias 9 series (except 9600GT thats the underdog of the line)
Imo X48 since the upgrade from X38 wasen't the big thing, and P45 showed same/better OCing for less $$$

[B.E.E.F.]

What about the GX2 then
1 card with 2 PCBs lol
For me, I'd say a GX2 counts as 2 cards...

Its a sandwich. Made of hurt.

[B.E.E.F.]

Imo X48 since the upgrade from X38 wasen't the big thing, and P45 showed same/better OCing for less $$$

Same with P45 from P35. Not much difference.

The X48 shines doing crossfire.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...nce/index.html

[kaskuli]

All of nVidia's relaunch/renaming based on older cards.

That was really pathetic. I agree with you, that and BlackOps.

[Mungri]

Imo X48 since the upgrade from X38 wasen't the big thing, and P45 showed same/better OCing for less $$$

Well....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130157

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130189

P45 would have been better if it had 2x 16x PCI-E, but as it didn't it wasn't appealing to crossfire users, and I couldnt wait for the second one to be released so I went ahead and bought an X48. They do overclock good enough for decent 24/7 overclocks, mine can handle up to an FSB of 525. Although I wouldnt have minded saving money and getting the P45 Neo-2 FR as the real successor to my previous P35 Neo-2 FR, this one wasn't available on launch and didnt appear untill several months later.

X38's were truly horrible and didnt OC anywhere near enough, but as long as I can reach 500 Mhz FSB and use full power crossfire, I'm happy

I am an ex - Asus user. I realised they were horrendously overpriced after buying MSI and getting the same thing for far less money, but hey, they can get away with it because they are Asus! And everyone wants an Asus mobo these days and thinks that MSI and other brands are crap

[G.Foyle]

- Atom
- 9600GSO (And the rest of Nvidia, duh)
- X48
- Cryo-Z
- TRUE Black - an example how a perfectly good piece of hardware can be a disappointment. I expected something more from Thermalright.
- low multi Yorkfields

[apexracing]

For me, it has to be the C2D E8xxx range, miserable overclocking, terrible power consumption and they all run far too hot. Not a fan of the HD48xx either, what were they thinking when they made two cards which were vastly better than the entire nVidia range. Idiots at AMD, what will we do with them.

For those with no sense of humour, yes, I'm not telling the truth.

[jcool]

I don't agree about the GT200, they aren't bad cards

Oh? So you also got a dozen GTX 280 GPUs for customer builds, and had to RMA 40% because of bad internal IHS <-> core contact?
Sure you read my point properly? I didn't say the GTX 280 was a bad card, or overpriced - just stated that QA sucks ass with Nvidia these days

[Mungri]

I like this thread.

So much bickering over decent products =D

I now vote the C2Q Extreme Editions because they cost like £1000 and they are a rip off when you can just buy a lower CPU and overclock it.

Not that there is anything wrong with the Extreme Editions other then the price, but I can be jealous that I cant afford one right?

[Jowy Atreides]

I'd like to bring up the 260 and 280 because of nvidia's marketing videos that accompanied the GTX launch

all these pictures of ugly guys holding their hands out in an ocelot-esque fashion,
with an air of smugness like they're the next messiah against tacky backgrounds,
this was back before the ati launch when nvidia thought they had the game won with their pricing

Does not want

Edit: i'll try to find pics

[Blacky]

Same with P45 from P35. Not much difference.

The X48 shines doing crossfire.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/14...nce/index.html

Last time I remember I didn't saw a p35 with a 700+ FSB also p35 wasen't that cheap like some p45 starting with gigabyte's and biostar also p35 didn't had x8 + x8 instead x16 + x4 pcie's or maybe I missed something

Well....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130157

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130189

P45 would have been better if it had 2x 16x PCI-E, but as it didn't it wasn't appealing to crossfire users, and I couldnt wait for the second one to be released so I went ahead and bought an X48. They do overclock good enough for decent 24/7 overclocks, mine can handle up to an FSB of 525. Although I wouldnt have minded saving money and getting the P45 Neo-2 FR as the real successor to my previous P35 Neo-2 FR, this one wasn't available on launch and didnt appear untill several months later.

X38's were truly horrible and didnt OC anywhere near enough, but as long as I can reach 500 Mhz FSB and use full power crossfire, I'm happy

I am an ex - Asus user. I realised they were horrendously overpriced after buying MSI and getting the same thing for far less money, but hey, they can get away with it because they are Asus! And everyone wants an Asus mobo these days and thinks that MSI and other brands are crap

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138123

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138123

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138118

these are better choices

Oh? So you also got a dozen GTX 280 GPUs for customer builds, and had to RMA 40% because of bad internal IHS <-> core contact?
Sure you read my point properly? I didn't say the GTX 280 was a bad card, or overpriced - just stated that QA sucks ass with Nvidia these days

I wasn't referring to you specifically, is that Iv'e seen some people flaming it.

[B.E.E.F.]

Last time I remember I didn't saw a p35 with a 700+ FSB also p35 wasen't that cheap like some p45 starting with gigabyte's and biostar also p35 didn't had x8 + x8 instead x16 + x4 pcie's.

700fsb? Maybe with liquid nitrogen. This isn't realistic for most people.

I forgot about the PCI lane setup. But you shouldn't be doing crossfire on it anyways. Or the P45. There's always the X38, and the X48 for that.

Yeah. P45 is cheap. Very little R&D to recoup, unlike the P35.

Just wait for the P55 prices.

[Blacky]

700fsb? Maybe with liquid nitrogen. This isn't realistic for most people.

I forgot about the PCI lane setup. But you shouldn't be doing crossfire on it anyways. Or the P45. There's always the X38, and the X48 for that.

Yeah. P45 is cheap. Very little R&D to recoup, unlike the P35.

Just wait for the P55 prices.

Yeah I know, but just was an example of how P45 chipset good overclocker is, yet its a "mainstream" mobo is par with a high-enthusiat mobo for cheap, about P55 to be honest I don't think is going to be cheap like P45, looking at reference of the overpriced X58...also nehalems aren't going to be cheaper :/ either, if i missunderstood your statement please tell