"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[truehighroller]

Mine "8800 GTS 512" seems to like this setting better then 101. Don't know why but, it works.

[carepolice]

Mine "8800 GTS 512" seems to like this setting better then 101. Don't know why but, it works.

How did your graphic gard act when it needed few notch more freq?

[truehighroller]

I just scored better in benchies with it set higher that's all.

[carepolice]

I just scored better in benchies with it set higher that's all.

Yeah, that is what i heard about it... Some guys uses pretty high values only for benching purposes

[FabricioGS]

I want to ask about something related to PCIe. I'm having some issues with my SATA disks and DVD-R and this happened before too on my P5K Dlx and my P5WDH Dlx.

I have 3 SATA II disks: 200, 400 and 500GB. Sometimes when the system is overclocked, general disk performance became really really poor. I use the 500GB as file storage, the 400GB as main system (Vista x64 Ultimate) and the 200GB for testing. Yesterday I tried to install Vista on the 200GB one like 3 times but stayed "Expanding files" for hours but I eventually gave up on it. Other time my SATA DVD-R just couldn't record a simple 4x DVD image. It stayed on 3% for more than 30 minutes and I also gave up.

Is there an obvious explanation for it? Cause I'm tired of trying to guess what could be doing that to my system.

[Big Lar]

On the P5Q-D, does anyone know of a different spot to measure the Ram voltage Other than the 2 spots to the north of the Ram?

I either have the crappiest ram or something else is going on here. 480fsb, stable at 1.98v/ 482fsb needs 2.04v/ 484fsb needs 2.06v?? Now mind you I have taken a reading with my crummy dmm as well as my Ideal of which I use at work. Both give me an Idle reading of 2.1v off the normal measuring spots above the dimm slots. Perhaps my dmm's need to be recalibrated, but this is just weird.

Any thoughts? My ram is the F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ G.Skill kit. Performance level is 10, all Pullins Disabled, running 1:1, no other funky settings. I have very good power, I just don't get it. Ram was purchased in February of this year, not that it matters as I am pretty sure they are Power Chips under the spreaders.

Larry

[Leeghoofd]

I need 1.92 set in the bios Big Lar up to 1066Mhz with the early PC8000PQ kit (my board still overvolts about 0.08 with 1406 bios, Vcore is lower now, I need to give about 0.0625 more to get same volts than with 1402 or earlier biosses...) Sure it's not Nb or CPU Voltage you need to up a bit..., also is Static Read control disabled ? Trfc 55 ?

[Big Lar]

I need 1.92 set in the bios Big Lar up to 1066Mhz with the early PC8000PQ kit (my board still overvolts about 0.08 with 1406 bios, Vcore is lower now, I need to give about 0.0625 more to get same volts than with 1402 or earlier biosses...) Sure it's not Nb or CPU Voltage you need to up a bit..., also is Static Read control disabled ? Trfc 55 ?

Hello Leeg, Thank you for the reply kind Sir Below are my settings for 482fsb, I have not tried TRFC of 55 of late, but have in the past with no difference in testing.

Q9400 2x2gb 1406 bios Settings at 8x482 10/12/08

FSB Strap = 333
PCI-E = 101
Dram Freq. = 965
5,5,5,15,3,52,6,3
8,3,5,4,6,4,6
14,5,1,6,6
Static = Disabled
Training = Disabled
OC Charge = Auto
Ai Clock = Medium
Ai Booster = 10
All Disabled
1.29375v
0.670v 0/2
0.675v 1/3
1.56v PLL
1.28v VTT
2.04v Ram
1.34v NB
0.640 NB GTL
1.20v
1.60v
LLC = Enabled
D,D,A,A
CPU Margin; Optimal

I do have the NBV at 1.36 now, not sure why I need it so high, pehaps due to the RAID card, but thats in the lowest pci-e slot which I believe the SB is handling, tho if I remember correctly the NB feeds the SB, so if thats the case, I guess I answered myself. LMK what you think please.

Any lower VTT and I am unstable, Anything under 1.34NB and I am unstable. More cpu voltage does not help either, and actually I believe not needed so far, tho I have given it 1.30v. Any lower PLL and I am unstable, more isn't any better either, I also don't really want to give it more. Done rambling

Larry

[Big Lar]

Update; With the NB voltage at 1.36 I tried 2.0v on the ram, Worker 1 errors out in Blend in Prime in 1 minute, GTL does not fix it either, but Ram voltage does.. Maybe my voltages are just messed up on this board/shrug.

Larry

[Leeghoofd]

K I did some testing for ya Big Lar...

First I tried your settings with 8 x 475 and 333 strap : everest results in bandwith

Auto settings for ram just 5-5-5-15 and TRFC 55 set and PL 11 tried, all the rest at AUTO !

333 Strap : Read : 8437 Write : 10090 Copy : 9631 Latency : 62.8
400 Strap : Read : 8200 Write : 10090 Copy : 9492 Latency : 63.1

Linpack performance 115 sec per iteration 53.2Gigaflops

So 333 strap is faster ( normal ofcourse) but not by much... if you have to choose between stability or a few 100Mb of ram performance the choice is quickly made, give 400 strap a shot Big Lar and/or set AI clock to AUTO...

I'll pm ya my settings with the Qx mate...


Then I tried 8 x 450 and 1080 on the ram with 333 Strap... Booted straight from bios with PL 8 set

333 Strap : Read : 8877 Write : 9655 Copy : 9504 Latency : 59.1

Linpack performance 119 sec per iteration 51.6 Gigaflops not bad for a CPU at 200mhz less...

[BRSG]

Hi ppl!
Is it me, or with the 1406 bios de P5Q Dlx undervolts de vcore big time? I have it set at 1.30 in bios and this is the result in windows:



1.24V?!?!?!

So that's why this cpu doesn't boot anymore at 450 fsb with 1.30vcore in bios

What do you think guys, should I rise vcore to what value? 1.35V?

[Leeghoofd]

Hi ppl!
Is it me, or with the 1406 bios de P5Q Dlx undervolts de vcore big time? I have it set at 1.30 in bios and this is the result in windows: 1.24V?!?!?!

So that's why this cpu doesn't boot anymore at 450 fsb with 1.30vcore in bios

What do you think guys, should I rise vcore to what value? 1.35V?

Enable Load line calibration or pump some more volts. With my Quad I get a difference of 0.07 from bios to full load , before 1406 I could set eg 1.2 to get 1.13 under load in windows, with 1406 I need to use a litle more volts to 1.2625 to get the same voltage under load... also before 1406 LLC overvolted on my board, now it slightly undervolts the bios setting when being under load...

[BRSG]

Enable Load line calibration...

That is already enabled... Tomorrow I'll try to pump up some more volts then!

[truehighroller]

Thank you everyone that helped get the issue, myself and other people were having resolved.





I now go to get my new video card muahhahaha,

[Leeghoofd]

That is already enabled... Tomorrow I'll try to pump up some more volts then!

Are you sure ? on my 2 boards : idle and load voltages are pretty close to what I set in the bios : 1.25 in bios with LLC on is 1.24 at idle and 1.249 under load

If it's on then it isn't working on your board...

Welcome back True with ya puppie

[Big Lar]

K I did some testing for ya Big Lar...

First I tried your settings with 8 x 475 and 333 strap : everest results in bandwith

Auto settings for ram just 5-5-5-15 and TRFC 55 set and PL 11 tried, all the rest at AUTO !

333 Strap : Read : 8437 Write : 10090 Copy : 9631 Latency : 62.8
400 Strap : Read : 8200 Write : 10090 Copy : 9492 Latency : 63.1

Linpack performance 115 sec per iteration 53.2Gigaflops

So 333 strap is faster ( normal ofcourse) but not by much... if you have to choose between stability or a few 100Mb of ram performance the choice is quickly made, give 400 strap a shot Big Lar and/or set AI clock to AUTO...

I'll pm ya my settings with the Qx mate...


Then I tried 8 x 450 and 1080 on the ram with 333 Strap... Booted straight from bios with PL 8 set

333 Strap : Read : 8877 Write : 9655 Copy : 9504 Latency : 59.1

Linpack performance 119 sec per iteration 51.6 Gigaflops not bad for a CPU at 200mhz less...

Thank you kind Sir. Much appreciated Still testing here and returned the PM. I'll back her down after a bit, just wanted to see how much she has in her, evidently not much more.

Larry

[Big Lar]

Heres the funny part so to speak, below are my previous settings and of which I am running right now. Tested completely stable, go figure compared to the 2.06v vdimm I need for a whooping "4" FSB more.

Q9400 2x2gb 1406 bios Settings at 8x480 10/07/08

FSB Strap = 333
PCI-E = 101
Dram Freq. = 961
5,5,5,15,3,52,6,3
8,3,5,4,6,4,6
13,5,1,6,6
Static = Disabled
Training = Disabled
OC Charge = Auto
Ai Clock = Medium
Ai Booster = 10
All Disabled
1.28750v
0.670v 0/2
0.675v 1/3
1.56v PLL
1.28v VTT
1.98v Ram (Slightly better there).
1.34v NB
0.640 NB GTL
1.20v
1.60v
LLC = Enabled
D,D,A,A
CPU Margin; Optimal

Larry

[PiolhoSM]

what's the difference between:

CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670

and

CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.670
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670

0/2 = Core number 0 and 2 ?
1/3 = Core number 1 and 3 ?

0.670 on both will put the same amount of voltage on every core?

The core2 from my Q6600 (core0/core1/core2/core3) gets constant error in prime95 and i always need to raise up the vcore to get that core stable, although i think the others core0,1 and 3 they all are pretty stable with lower vcore value.

I have move the GTL VR (0/2) from 0.630 to 0.670, and it seems i can get more overclock with less vcore. Is it ok? changing from 0.630 to 0.670 will not kill my cpu?

[dannyuk32]

Hi Guys,
Just built my system ... I have a problem in that my system is constantly rebooting itself .. not even making POST .
I took out the Ram Stick in channel B, and no problems after that.
I put that stick in A and also no problems so there is no problems with the two Ram sticks I have.
My RAM is G.Skill 2GB DDR2 HZ PC2-6400C4 (2x1GB) CAS4 Dual Channel Kit (F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ) .. it is rated at 2.0-2.2 V .
All my motherboard settings are on default.
Do you think my Motherboard is faulty or what settings \ voltage do I need to change in BIOS to get my system stable in Dual channel mode ?
Thanks, Danny.

[yaddam205]

Just curious to know what advantages 1406 has over previous versions in the 14xx series.
Performance? Ram? Stability?

[carepolice]

what's the difference between:

CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.630
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670

and

CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.670
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.670

0/2 = Core number 0 and 2 ?
1/3 = Core number 1 and 3 ?

0.670 on both will put the same amount of voltage on every core?

The core2 from my Q6600 (core0/core1/core2/core3) gets constant error in prime95 and i always need to raise up the vcore to get that core stable, although i think the others core0,1 and 3 they all are pretty stable with lower vcore value.

I have move the GTL VR (0/2) from 0.630 to 0.670, and it seems i can get more overclock with less vcore. Is it ok? changing from 0.630 to 0.670 will not kill my cpu?

Depends what VTT your using try VTT x 0.67 And see if it stays in 0.7-1.0
I belive that it still safe for usage

ABOUT 1406 THAT BEEN ASKED ABOVE

As changes are pretty same to P5Q-E and dlx i can say that 1406 is best of 1xxx series by asus, In My Opinion

[RejZoR]

Could you post a pic of a driver used for ATA ?
Cause mine shows just like what Vektor claimed udma 5 I've tried deleting it several times but vista still finds the same driver.

Interesting. After i installed Vista clean with AHCI enabled there was Ultra DMA Mode 5 also. But after i checked now, it's in PIO Mode 4 again.
Only thing that changed later was instalaltion of X-Fi drivers in the PCI slot above graphic card (above PCIe x16).
Damn soundcard forces HDD's into some ridiculous mode!? Wth is that good for?

[RejZoR]

Ok, i think i found the solution. Along with Intel Chipset driver i had to install Intel Matrix Storage Driver/Utility. After that all old IDE Device/IDE ATA/ATA entries in device manager are gone and replaced by Intel ICH10R AHCI Controller.



So i assume its now actually working in native AHCI mode (with included NCQ support). Because all those IDE and ATA modes seem to be some sort of compatibility emulations of native SATA drives.

Also pay attention to "Disk drives" branch. They don't have "ATA" appended anymore! Wooohoooo!

EDIT:
Just tested with HD tach. CPU utilization is 0% , sustained speed went up for 20MB/s. ENd drive speed is still pretty much the same.
It seems CPU utilization went down significantly and system itself seems to be much more responsive
I like this a lot

[mac_69]

Testing the bios, using proven 3.6 settings (with speed step working fine)

Do we just leave the margin enhancement in 'optimal' ?

So far so good ie equivalent to 803 and stable (I ran prime for a few hours), except I still have problems shutting down from Vistax64 SP1 - the machine wants to immediately reboot, which is a real pain and can nly be countered by holding in the power button rather than clicking on shutdown

I remember others had the same problem, anyone want to chime in with possible solutions?

thnks

[MakkeMan]

I am quite new at clocking and this advanced bios so i need some help here

I have a 3,16 Ghz C0 E8500 wich i would like to run a little faster. Using stock fan and i have a cabinet cooler also. Is it possible to get it running at 9*400 fsb = 3,6 Ghz ? And wich settings should i adjust away from auto in bios and to what ? Sry for the n00bie question but i rather be sure than doing something wrong :P

Kind Regards