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    would be interesting to see old skulltrail vs new one when releases...

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    I heard i7 'skulltrail' was dropping in 09, has there been any developement there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by informal View Post
    In original pconline review there was no tri-channel or SMT comparison IIRC,so this is worthy to be a new thread.
    Which is related to Nehalem, the KICS definition works better for a case like this and besides this is an ES hard to swallow easily .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metroid View Post
    That is the problem, the published date could be 09/10/2008 USA (September) or 09/10/2008 Europe (October).
    I think this would a lot clearer if America took it head out of its arse and actually wrote the date correctly as in the 9th day of the 10 month of the 2008th year.... The only country on earth that writes its date in such an idiotic way...

    As ref the article, i'm all of a dither about Nehalem, and as normal the first set of benchies dont show when the platform is capable of since the benchies are designed for test an old platform, not a new one, same thing with the switch from single to dual channel, assuming most of you guys can remember that far back. Its a wait and see case i think, particularly interested in the results Movieman will get...

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    Well if I'm reading those graphs right the Yorkfield is faster in Call Of Duty 4 and the i7 in World in Conflict. So we have a 1000$ cpu and a 500$ cpu and they are 50% 50% in games so far. Also remember that World in Conflict is one of those strange games that don't scale that good whatever you throw at it. Maybe Intel have made this architecture to address exactly those areas where the Yorkfield didn't shine. Or maybe yeah this is just another P4, the evidence to that is starting to mount up also...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss View Post
    & yet again 3D Mark Vantage shows its useless-ness
    On point! BUT, it does give us an idea of how great a game engine could be if the damn thing was highly multi-threaded. We will see some amazing things happen to K10 and Nehalem when Windows 7 and DX11 show up. Right now though, 8 threads is pretty useless outside of Vantage LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle View Post
    No, it's not me being wrong vs posting an opinion on a mix bag. A similar mix bag we saw from the P4 back in the day.
    I just think if a feature substantially increases IPC overall and in the target market, but decreases it in some cases it's a mixed bag, not a let-down. We can call it a failure or let-down for the tested games, though, if that makes all of us happy.

    Does anyone want to explain to me the TMPGEnc data? Were all the "(p)reviews" that "borrowed" the data from the Chinese wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-Dub View Post
    I think this would a lot clearer if America took it head out of its arse and actually wrote the date correctly as in the 9th day of the 10 month of the 2008th year.... The only country on earth that writes its date in such an idiotic way...

    As ref the article, i'm all of a dither about Nehalem, and as normal the first set of benchies dont show when the platform is capable of since the benchies are designed for test an old platform, not a new one, same thing with the switch from single to dual channel, assuming most of you guys can remember that far back. Its a wait and see case i think, particularly interested in the results Movieman will get...

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    Dude, we write it that way because we speak it that way, ie. "Today is October twelfth two-thousand eight." Also you Brits are the ones that brought it over in the first place so blame yourself! LOL

    Now back to the OP (sorry for not combining both posts), It is a good thing that we don't see much of a gain going from dual to triple channel DDR3! I can buy a 1.5v 4GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 for $125:Links!

    Now only if those X58 motherboards are "reasonably" priced and not $399.99, it would make sense to wait for Core i7. I'll bet good money there will be motherboards more expensive than the Core i7 2.66Ghz 940.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacky View Post
    I just think if a feature substantially increases IPC overall and in the target market, but decreases it in some cases it's a mixed bag, not a let-down. We can call it a failure or let-down for the tested games, though, if that makes all of us happy.

    Does anyone want to explain to me the TMPGEnc data? Were all the "(p)reviews" that "borrowed" the data from the Chinese wrong?
    No, I do not think so. What you said earlier is right with SMT ON performance decreases by a significant margin whereas if the opposite is done an increase is seen as an enormous step. It must be conflicts or the software does not have full multi threading support, sincerely unless I have it and do some tests,no clue at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-Dub View Post
    I think this would a lot clearer if America took it head out of its arse and actually wrote the date correctly as in the 9th day of the 10 month of the 2008th year.... The only country on earth that writes its date in such an idiotic way...

    As ref the article, i'm all of a dither about Nehalem, and as normal the first set of benchies dont show when the platform is capable of since the benchies are designed for test an old platform, not a new one, same thing with the switch from single to dual channel, assuming most of you guys can remember that far back. Its a wait and see case i think, particularly interested in the results Movieman will get...

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    When one joins an international forum one expects there to be small differences in the way people verbalize things.
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    We do month,date and then year.
    You do date,moth and then year.
    Easy solution to this:
    Write it out as October 13,2008 and settled.
    Now as to us taking our heads out of our asses, we did that in 1776 when we broke away from England with it's repressive laws and founded this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Now as to us taking our heads out of our asses, we did that in 1776 when we broke away from England with it's repressive laws and founded this country.
    That's sig worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechromancer View Post
    Dude, we write it that way because we speak it that way, ie. "Today is October twelfth two-thousand eight." Also you Brits are the ones that brought it over in the first place so blame yourself! LOL
    What I would say is a Chinese website using a USA reference time for its articles is poor, since is not a USA website and it should use a standard world reference time, by the way there are 2 ways of saying it and it is different when you say it and when you write it using date format.

    World date reference is Day/Month/Year, since we can say Today is 11th or 11 of November of 2008
    USA date reference is Month/Day/Year, November 11th 2008
    However in the UK we use the world time reference date format for everything and when we speak we say both ways USA and World.

    Just to be clear about things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Easy solution to this:
    Write it out as October 13,2008 and settled.
    Surely you mean the 13th of October, 2008. In order as it should be old bean, Chocks away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-Dub View Post
    I think this would a lot clearer if America took it head out of its arse and actually wrote the date correctly as in the 9th day of the 10 month of the 2008th year.... The only country on earth that writes its date in such an idiotic way...
    While I agree with you, I can say exactly the same about how British and the people in most of their old colonies drive (left instead of right). The world is full of stupid things.
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    I don't understand what's the fuss about these three-channel scores?!? Since Havendale will have DC IMC it's obvious that Intel knows to that for desktop use three-channel is pointless!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedjo View Post
    I don't understand what's the fuss about these three-channel scores?!? Since Havendale will have DC IMC it's obvious that Intel knows to that for desktop use three-channel is pointless!
    Indeed. It was already well know that tri-channel would bring close to 0 improvement in desktop apps. Like always, people with too high expectations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR View Post
    While I agree with you, I can say exactly the same about how British and the people in most of their old colonies drive (left instead of right). The world is full of stupid things.
    So what about the American football?

    At least we learnt something and yes the right instead of left bench place is madness, hate driving anyway .

    I live in London I do not need a car whatsoever. We have one of the best underground tube services.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedjo View Post
    I don't understand what's the fuss about these three-channel scores?!? Since Havendale will have DC IMC it's obvious that Intel knows to that for desktop use three-channel is pointless!
    Quote Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR View Post
    Indeed. It was already well know that tri-channel would bring close to 0 improvement in desktop apps. Like always, people with too high expectations.
    Well something tells me the 192 bit memory is not yet implemented in applications, which must be the deficit on that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR View Post
    While I agree with you, I can say exactly the same about how British and the people in most of their old colonies drive (left instead of right). The world is full of stupid things.
    NVM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metroid View Post
    So what about the American football?

    At least we learnt something and yes the right instead of left bench place is madness, hate driving anyway .

    I live in London I do not need a car whatsoever. We have one of the best underground tube services.





    Well something tells me the 192 bit memory is not yet implemented in applications, which must be the deficit on that matter.

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    How do you "implement" a 192 bit memory controller in any software? It's just a function of the hardware. A program doesn't know if it's using a 2 bit controller or a 200 bit controller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeloader View Post
    How do you "implement" a 192 bit memory controller in any software?
    change the library source code 128 to 192, adaptive code could do that automatic.

    Quote Originally Posted by freeloader View Post
    It's just a function of the hardware. A program doesn't know if it's using a 2 bit controller or a 200 bit controller.
    It does if you get the instructions of that particular hardware, like the program reads what the hardware is capable then customize automatic what could do for the best. It is easy said than done, I did not go that far yet. So no real idea, maybe somebody could enlighten us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedjo View Post
    I don't understand what's the fuss about these three-channel scores?!? Since Havendale will have DC IMC it's obvious that Intel knows to that for desktop use three-channel is pointless!
    Yeah...I never expected much from 3-channel or SMT in desktop apps. In general, they already have more than enough bandwidth and are not muilti-thread demanding to saturate even older quads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metroid View Post
    So what about the American football?

    At least we learnt something and yes the right instead of left bench place is madness, hate driving anyway .

    I live in London I do not need a car whatsoever. We have one of the best underground tube services.
    The point is that while left or right is not stupid by itself, doing one of them together with only 2 or 3 countries in the world is, like the date with the Americans.

    I live in Madrid and we also have one of the best undergrounds in the world. But that doesn't quit people from driving their car each day unfortunately. Driving is the best and we know it, now we need cars that don't pollute the atmosphere and it'll be perfect . But if you want to see something really amazing regarding undergrounds, go to Japan. Simply incredible.

    Sorry for the OT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slovnaft View Post
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    Box is supposed to contain a cpu, some memory and a motherboard with 1366 pins.. I wonder what thats all about?
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