Live MB OC Report :: ASUS Rampage Extreme

[Helliano]

A little question, sorry for the offtopic. But does the people owning this mobo recommend it? I need a new DDR3 mobo since my 790i has crashed once again, and this is the one I have been thinking about getting... All the settings seem awesome and most of the OC-reports as far as I see.

[RLM]

A little question, sorry for the offtopic. But does the people owning this mobo recommend it? I need a new DDR3 mobo since my 790i has crashed once again, and this is the one I have been thinking about getting... All the settings seem awesome and most of the OC-reports as far as I see.

What CPU and Ram are you using? Might help with the answer to your question.

Cheers

RLM

[Helliano]

What CPU and Ram are you using? Might help with the answer to your question.

Cheers

RLM

E8400 (at least 4.2gHz 24/7)
2048 Corsair DDR3 XMS3 DHX

planning on buying more/new memory soon though.

[coral11]

GTL Ref is not about performance, it's stability. Manually setting it puts you in control of what the motherboard sets, as I'm suspecting that the GTL Ref when left on AUTO scales with the FSB, and not with VTT, as it was supposed to. That may be why when left all on AUTO everything is more stable, as both the VTT and GTL Ref scale with the FSB, and are effectively in sync.


All theoretical of course.

Thanks, I guess I must be done. I'm running stable 4200 on my e8600.

[zlojack]

To be honest Zlojak, might be better to leave Raid until you've found stability. Just a thought.

RLM

Probably a good idea. I just redid the array, so if it craps out again, I'll probably hold off on RAID until I can get things stable.

[vega22]

Hay peeps a little tip: ALWAYS manually set the GTL Ref Values in the BIOS to match the VTT you set. They have a tendency to change when left on AUTO on the RE, and cause random BSOD on Window startup and under load. You can set a VTT that's 4 hour prime stable, then on next reboot it BSOD when loading Windows. After manually setting the GTL Ref, it no longer randomly BSOD!

Set the GTL Ref according to this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202292


Good luck!!

Great! For a long time I've been thinking about which of the AUTO settings was that it lacked stability, crazy changing in reboot many times (what I have called several times in this thread "corruption", although that is not accurate). My main suspects were Ai Clock Twister and GTLs, but Ai Clock setting manually seems to be useless. I agree: surely the GTLs are the key of this serious issue.
About this, i think that the "-40mv" solution nor make much sense. We must assume that the Bios knows the difference between 65nm and 45nm, and knows to apply the correct GTL settings (x 0.635, not x 0.667) in a 45nm. Anyway, in my case the "-40mv" trick help me too little for the Linpack stability. Finally i reach 200pass+ full Linpack stability with boths GTLs and VTT in Auto mode.
I have reached this strong stability in a very small OC, but now I'm happy for the first time with my rig and start trying to squeeze more the hardware from here.

[zlojack]

vega22, how are you finding those G.Skills with this board?

[vega22]

As I commented in this thread, I had a very bad experience with a OCZ 14400 Reaper Kit. But these G.Skill are totally rock solid. They are totally stable even in the blue slots, but they operate with 0.08 lower voltage in NB in whites slots.

[zlojack]

As I commented in this thread, I had a very bad experience with a OCZ 14400 Reaper Kit. But these G.Skill are totally rock solid. They are totally stable even in the blue slots, but they operate with 0.08 lower voltage in NB in whites slots.

Thanks for the info.

My current sticks won't do anything other than AUTO so far, so I'm looking for something else. I want to make this board work, but I'm still considering going back to the Rampage Formula

[vega22]

My current sticks won't do anything other than AUTO so far, so I'm looking for something else. I want to make this board work, but I'm still considering going back to the Rampage Formula

I set manually all the settings for the GSkill.
if my RE returns to give me the slightest problem of stability, I switch to DFI.
BTW, my last purchase before the RE, a Maximus II Formula, was substantially better than the RE handling the Quad. For DDR2 in a Quad, i recommend this board.

[zlojack]

Hmmm looks like Mushkin has had some success with their 2x2 1600MHz XP model. (http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?id=705)

http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/vie...hp?f=3&t=12410

Greg is getting 450x9 1800Mhz 8-8-8-24-1N over 4 hours prime and memtest stable with a Q9650 @ 4GHz

[RLM]

Thanks for the info.

My current sticks won't do anything other than AUTO so far, so I'm looking for something else. I want to make this board work, but I'm still considering going back to the Rampage Formula

When I first got the EVGA 790i, I could have thrown every gtl value and tweak at it, my q6600 just wasn't going to hit 3.5ghz+. I knew the chip was more than capable.

Instead of spending weeks banging my head against the walll, I cut my losses and put the 790i away and ran a P5E3 Deluxe instead. I then just waited for the next bios release. When that came out a few weeks later, I flashed the 790i and had my Q6600 benching at 4.1ghz.

Basically what I'm saying is that it may well be an idea to go back to your Rampage formula for a bit. A lot less bl00dy stressfull.

I don't know much about the P5E3 premium, but that was a bit of dog to run wasn't it? The latest bios releases have made all the difference from what I gather.

RLM

Oh by the way, back on my P5E3 Deluxe for the timebeing

[zlojack]

When I first got the EVGA 790i, I could have thrown every gtl value and tweak at it, my q6600 just wasn't going to hit 3.5ghz+. I knew the chip was more than capable.

Instead of spending weeks banging my head against the walll, I cut my losses and put the 790i away and ran a P5E3 Deluxe instead. I then just waited for the next bios release. When that came out a few weeks later, I flashed the 790i and had my Q6600 benching at 4.1ghz.

Basically what I'm saying is that it may well be an idea to go back to your Rampage formula for a bit. A lot less bl00dy stressfull.

I don't know much about the P5E3 premium, but that was a bit of dog to run wasn't it? The latest bios releases have made all the difference from what I gather.

RLM

Oh by the way, back on my P5E3 Deluxe for the timebeing

You might be onto something with that

[coral11]

A little question, sorry for the offtopic. But does the people owning this mobo recommend it? I need a new DDR3 mobo since my 790i has crashed once again, and this is the one I have been thinking about getting... All the settings seem awesome and most of the OC-reports as far as I see.

You love it!

[Expat GriZ]

Sorry for not posting sooner but I got home from work (Spain) and promtly was sick as a dog. Last night was my first night trying again with the RE, E8600 and the CSX 2 X 2 2000 GTS Ram. Waiting for bits so all on air. If I have time tonight will try and post some screen shots, etc. 9 X 450 1800 9 9 9 24 after fiddling with the ram skews. Stable. Then tried 9 X 467 1868 (1872 in bios) again 9 9 9 24 and not quite there as it will either crash after 10 minutes or maybe an hour, 2 hours later. So just before heading off to bed (@ 5 am) I figured what the heck and tried 9 X 500 & 2000! Yup, I can get into windows but not stable...will require a lot of tweaking or just volts. With 1800, 1868 or 2000 if I move the GTL Ref's around it seems worse so I've left those on normal or auto. The only exception is the NB GTLVref @ +10mv. NB DDR Vref @ +12.5mv and the DDR3 Channel A & B Vrefs @ +50 mv. The Dram Skew Control is Normal, Normal, Advance 250ps, Normal, Normal for both A2 & B2 which should be the White Slots. Tried fiddling with the first and last, again advancing but was less stable. I know, I've read all the posts by guys with a heck of a lot more knowledge than me about negative values but with me I've had no luck at all with the negative values. Ram voltage @ 1.93506...tried going as high as 1.98806 for the 1868 & 2000 but might have to give it more. Hopefully 2.1or 2.2 won't kill them. Ai Clock Twister seems to work with Light, Lighter or Moderate but Strong and Stronger BSOD much quicker. Perf Level 7. Volts to CPU 1.35625, NB 1.44472 FSB 1.40491 CPU PLL 1.5508 SB voltages one click up from auto. The 500 FSB Ram @ 2000 upped everything 2 clicks. Now that I am on Bios 601 I find that things go better with "Load Line Calibration" Enabled. This was a no no on my X38 hybrid Rampage Formula. Dram Static Control & Dram Dynamic Write Control both Disabled, but might try enabling them one at a time tonight.

Ok, disclaimer time...I'm not dictating or trying to claim anything. This is just a noob who has typed a few things down so I can receive feedback or possibly even give someone else some ideas. I will use the official format for bios values in the future. If it wasn't for some of the talented individuals on here I never would have gotten this far. In fact, can someone please tell me how Memset works and which values to change, etc? Just a little explanation would be very helpful as to which SPD columns correspond to the A & B columns. I'm serious, I can't seem to get it to work at all. 3.5.7 Beta This board has been an absolute joy at times and a real SOB at others, but I'm not giving up!! Any and ALL ideas appreciated!!

Regards,
GriZ

[Kensek]

I tracked it down. Here is the Link.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=0601

[Zeus]

@GriZ: Leave the SPD, only change the settings that have the drop-down menu next to it.

Which settings you can change is trial and error, look at the screens people post and try to use those settings.

Your mem is supported up to 2.1V so don't be scared to give 'm that.

The timings you're using are very relaxed, try at least 8-7-6-18 or even beter 7-6-5-16.

Off course this requires more voltage.

I have mine running at 2.04V 7-6-5-18 at DDR 1800 with a dominator ram cooler over them as 24/7 setting, mine are 2x1GB, i don't know if 2x2GB clocks worse.

[RLM]

Ok, disclaimer time...I'm not dictating or trying to claim anything. This is just a noob who has typed a few things down so I can receive feedback or possibly even give someone else some ideas. I will use the official format for bios values in the future. If it wasn't for some of the talented individuals on here I never would have gotten this far. In fact, can someone please tell me how Memset works and which values to change, etc? Just a little explanation would be very helpful as to which SPD columns correspond to the A & B columns. I'm serious, I can't seem to get it to work at all. 3.5.7 Beta This board has been an absolute joy at times and a real SOB at others, but I'm not giving up!! Any and ALL ideas appreciated!!

Just a bit of a warning. i notice you have Raid-0 as well. I've managed a couple of times on other boards to corrupt my Raid setup with Memset tweaking.

The way I had things setup before was to have a separate non raid drive with Os's on it. I'd then do all my tweaking on that drive. A bit more forgiving. Oh and for Raid setups it seems to help giving a tad more voltage to the South Bridge.

Don't know what to advise on memset really. I wouldn't use it for finding stability. i'd do that via bios settings, memtest, prime etc. memset comes into it's own really for benching in my opinion. Just go careful, and maybe focus more on subtimings just adjusting 1 notch at a time. Things like your TRFC for instance.

I'm no expert, so maybe someone else can comment.

RLM

[Expat GriZ]

@ Zeus. Dood, Thanks for the reply. Went into Bios and tried what you suggested. Upped voltage a tad and Presto!! Anything with a 7 in it is a no go but managed to come up with 8 8 8 21 5 82 8 6. Much quicker!! I'll post the full bios settings either tonight or tomorrow as I promised you when I was still at work a couple weeks ago.

@ RLM The Raid 0 is to try it out with the onboard raid support. This isn't my day to day machine and I can afford to have a screw up here and there. A lot of people knock it but the best price I can come up with in Europe for an Areca 1231 ML with 2 Gb of ram is 620.00 Euros, which is a lot of bucks, even to an old guy like me. Yup, I've corrupted a couple raids with bad overclocks in the past so point taken and noted. Lowered the TRFC as you suggested and 82 was it. 72 and I get the Det Ram hang. Also upped the SB volts on your suggestion so Thank you as well.

Here goes with an attachment, sorry, forgot to run Pi until it was too late but 1M was 11.2 sec & apologies if the pic sucks (first timer at this)

Regards,
Griz

[cheapseats]

Everest scores are still not great - can't hold CL7 above 440fsb with this OCZ kit, and no 1T possible at all

[gmod]

what is the best bios for this board iam currently working on a system with the following..
E8600
2x4870x2's
Gskill 1600 (ones with the fugly heatsink and pi symbol)
Silverstone 1200watt modular..

I want to get 4500mhz out of the chip 24/7 but would also like to get more for some benching fun....Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated

[Kensek]

Tried for a personal best today since it is getting Cold in Chicago. Ambient room temp is 69F. So I figured I'd get a little more out of my system.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=8378109

[zlojack]

Well tonight I found it's definitely an issue with my RAM.

With FSB of 550 I was able to get into Windows and run programs without much stability testing, but got further than at FSB 400 (then I had to pull my 3870 X2, as I sold it )


The main difference, at 550 FSB the RAM was at 1100 MHz and it was fine. At 500 FSB the RAM was at 1200 MHz and it was fine. At 400 FSB the RAM was at 1600 MHz with very relaxed timings and generous voltages and it would BSOD in a matter of minutes after getting into Windows.

550 FSB was a bit tricky, but once I played with NB volts and some GTLs it booted into Windows, which shows that it's doable on my board, only with the RAM at 1:1 6-6-6

Funny enough, at 500 FSB 1200MHz DDR3 6-6-6 PL9, the bandwidth and latency in Everest was very similar to what I was getting out of my DDR2 at 1133 5-5-5 PL7 on FSB of 478

So the board is capable. Now to find some sticks that can keep up.

[MnM]

I dont seem to have any problems with my CSX Diablo memory at all.

OK here is where I am so far:

Rampage Extreme 501 bios
4 x 2 Diablo D9GTR based




Extreme Tweaker Menu

CPU FSB - Manual
CPU Level Up - Auto
FSB: 430
-cpu configuration
-cpu clock skew - Auto
-nb clock skew - Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge - 333
DRAM FREQUENCY - 1721
DRAM Command Rate - Auto
DRAM Timing Control - Manual
*1st information : 8-7-6-15-Auto-Auto-Auto-Auto
*2nd informaion : all AUTO
*3rd information : all AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control - Auto
DRAM Dynamic Write Control - Auto
-DRAM Skew Control
Ai Clock Twister - Auto
Ai Transaction Booster - Auto
*C/P : A1 A2
*LVL : 07 07

EPU II Phase Control - Auto
-----------------------------------------------------------------
*** Please Key in Numbers or select voltage!***
CPU Voltage - 1.462
Load-Line Calibration - Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage - 1.709
FSB Termination Voltage - 1.45
CPU GTLVref (o) - +40
CPU GTLVref (1) - +50
CPU GTLVref (2) - +50
CPU GTLVref (3) - +40
NB GTLVref - +30
North Bridge Voltage - 1.66997
DRAM Voltage -1.96156
NB DDRVref - Auto
DDR3 ChannelA Vref - Auto
DDR3 ChannelB Vref - Auto
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage - 1.6
South Bridge 1.05 Voltage - 1.08
**********************************************
CPU Spread Spectrum - Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum - Disabled

well after the discussions in here about the GTLVRef values and what they should be I can confirm that after I changed mine to - (they were + see above) the settings are not stable anymore. PC froze during OCCT (about 30 minutes in). Went back to the original settings above and it passed the 1H test.
So I am not entirely sure that for QX9770 - is the way to go.

[RLM]

That's interesting MnM. Worth looking into.

What bothers me though are your voltages and temps. Why can I bench my qx9650 at 485x9.5 with 1.55v NB on the 790i and you need 1.67v for 430 x 10.

I don't like these high NB volts for 24/7. It only took around 1.55v NB to kill two DFI P35-T2Rs I had. 1.55v, squealing for a week or so then buggered.

You're also hitting 78c there aren't you? I'm surprised OCCT doesn't stop and warn about temps. Personally I want to keep my cpu at a max of what 64c during OCCT if poss.

Then PLL. Does anyone know what's safe for PLL voltage? I know with the P5K deluxe and Q6600 I'd hit a barrier at 3.7ghz and the only way through was with a bump in PLL. Don't know how this works for the 45nm QX.

Maybe there's a secret setting, but it seems to me this board needs too much voltage for the QXs. I'm going to stick mine back in the 790i, just to check things out.

I've been reading up on the blackops and apparently there was a similar issue. A bios update fixed this, so that the same clocks required less voltage.

RLM