Modded ASUS P5Q/Pro/Deluxe/Premium BIOS

[Big Lar]

Ket, or someone else more knowledgeable than I,( prob 75% of the folks here ).
Question as to Skews and Phase Pull-Ins. Do, for instance the Phase pullins relate to a cpu core? As in, PhaseA PH1, would this relate to say Core0? Same question as to Skews. I am talking about the P5Q-D here. Probably a bit confusing as to my question, but hopefully I put it out there correctly.

Larry

[hema]

my 7.5 multi works fine, but there is no 6.5 multi for me

(e8200/p5q)

I canot get 7.5 multi with my P5Q and Q6600 or any fine ratio like (6.5 , 7.5 , 8.5 ,....)
my bios version now is 703 ket bios

[YMAA]

65nm chips don't support the .5 multipliers.

[Dee]

Ket, or someone else more knowledgeable than I,( prob 75% of the folks here ).
Question as to Skews and Phase Pull-Ins. Do, for instance the Phase pullins relate to a cpu core? As in, PhaseA PH1, would this relate to say Core0? Same question as to Skews. I am talking about the P5Q-D here. Probably a bit confusing as to my question, but hopefully I put it out there correctly.

Larry

I believe Pull-Ins relate to memory performance? Enabled = better.

I am willing to be corrected on this, though.

[Big Lar]

I believe Pull-Ins relate to memory performance? Enabled = better.

I am willing to be corrected on this, though.

That much I knew. Let me expand a bit, my Weak core is Core1 in Prime95,so I am wondering if I disabled PH1 on both banks and or Messed with the Skews if this would help at all with that. GTL's are the best they will ever get, as well as VTT and NB voltage and the NB GTL.

Thanks for the reply Dee

Larry

[Dee]

Ah, sorry. I'm not sure anyway, you probably know a whole lot more than I do already.

[axy1985]

Well, thanks for the BIOSes Ket, they work well. They didn't fix my weird FSB limit tho... I guess I just got an overclocking dud
My luck... I've tried everything, but can't get it stable past 430MHz FSB

[Vektor67]

I believe Pull-Ins relate to memory performance? Enabled = better.

I am willing to be corrected on this, though.

It's funny I thought the pull ins did the exact opposite. lol
I wish there were a definitive Bios Guide, so I could research all of the settings. How are you supposed to figure this stuff out?
I'm curious about other settings as well, I mean even stuff like PNP OS, memory hole, PEG/PCI, force bios ect. I get what PNP OS Does but am not sure if enabled is the way to go, the others I'm pretty well clueless. and thats not to mention the skews and such in the AI Tweaker portion. The manual doesn't really get into the nuts and bolts. Those seem obvious on the surface but I wish I could research more with out having to page through forum threads. Someone in the know should do a definitive Republic of Gamers Bios guide. That would cover most things in our bios and then some.

[B.E.E.F.]

Asus especially have very poor comprehension of that lower-mid highend boards will net them the most money. I have only ever ONCE bought an uber board - Asus Crosshair, BUT, it just looked fancy. Didn't exactly have anything I hadn't seen on other, CHEAPER boards.

Wrong. Its a competitive market even at that price level. Only the ROG series are really differentiated from the competition. That's why they can charge a premium.

Its not just a motherboard. Its the ROG, so pay up.

Common marketing strategy. If ASUS didn't do this, they would not be around to make you that P5Q-Pro you enjoy. They would be crushed by the competition long ago.



But thank you for your work Ket. Its awesome to get more performance than I ever expected when I bought this board.

Your m1402 BIOS is great.

[Vazovskiiii]

I'll release it when I get chance to finish it, at this time there is no ETA.



thank's ket you are the men
but pls tell me what is the urban bios? what the features you think to install there?

[Ket]

Wrong. Its a competitive market even at that price level. Only the ROG series are really differentiated from the competition. That's why they can charge a premium.

Its not just a motherboard. Its the ROG, so pay up.

Common marketing strategy. If ASUS didn't do this, they would not be around to make you that P5Q-Pro you enjoy. They would be crushed by the competition long ago.



But thank you for your work Ket. Its awesome to get more performance than I ever expected when I bought this board.

Your m1402 BIOS is great.

A premium is one thing, but bloody £250 or so for a board thats effectively the same as a board costing £110 less just with a crapload of heatsinks? Thats bad Asus, very very bad Asus. Its not like the folk at Asus are that competent and chances are if your ever unfortunate enough to have to RMA to Asus what you send for RMA they will either A: lose, B: You will be waiting forever for it to come back, C: You will get the same damn thing back, D: You will get an RMA replacement back thats in worse condition than what you sent, E: A combination of all of the above.

Horrendous things like that is exactly why Asus can't charge a premium as you get utter crap back that just barely works if you have to RMA.

[Dee]

I wish there were a definitive Bios Guide, so I could research all of the settings. How are you supposed to figure this stuff out?

I also wish there was a definitive BIOS guide. Another thing -- opinions differ and conflict, especially when it comes to vTT, etc. Very frustrating. Maybe I should go back to AMD! Overclocking was so much more simple back in the day...

[Leeghoofd]

Ket for the Q9450 users is there a way to disable or completely remove the CPU enhancement line ?

[truehighroller]

Thank you Leo,

[Ket]

I also wish there was a definitive BIOS guide. Another thing -- opinions differ and conflict, especially when it comes to vTT, etc. Very frustrating. Maybe I should go back to AMD! Overclocking was so much more simple back in the day...

I have a BIOS guide I drew up, its nothing spectacular yet though.

Ket for the Q9450 users is there a way to disable or completely remove the CPU enhancement line ?

I could remove it from the BIOS, but I don't think it would be as simple as getting rid of the entry for it, that thing probably runs through the BIOS like a black shadow of doom.

[Dee]

I'll be interested in seeing your BIOS guide if you ever post it.

[Mick64]

I take it that you only have a knowledge of the P5Q BIOS and do not modify any other BIOS's, such as the P5K?

[Ket]

I'll post it up when its a little more complete. Also, yet another mBIOS! This one is for the P5Q Pro, 901. The last version there was not to have the CPU M-E option. Theres been all the usual tweaks plus I have renamed some stuff to make things a bit clearer. I have also optimised some boot settings which should help speed boot times up. Also, take a look at the attached screenshot. People are complaining of "poor" CF performance on P45 boards, I think those NB options may have something to do with it. No, those options are not visible in BIOS before anyone asks

P5Q Pro 901m

[ghost_recon88]

So the P5Q Pro 901m BIOS doesn't have the CPU Margin Enhancement while the 1307m does? Is the E7200 considered "low enough" that you think it would benefit from it?

[Ket]

I don't think any CPU can really benefit from CPU M-E. I would generally advise people first try a BIOS without CPU-M-E, and if things don't go so hot then try the latest mBIOS.

[B.E.E.F.]

A premium is one thing, but bloody £250 or so for a board thats effectively the same as a board costing £110 less just with a crapload of heatsinks? Thats bad Asus, very very bad Asus. Its not like the folk at Asus are that competent and chances are if your ever unfortunate enough to have to RMA to Asus what you send for RMA they will either A: lose, B: You will be waiting forever for it to come back, C: You will get the same damn thing back, D: You will get an RMA replacement back thats in worse condition than what you sent, E: A combination of all of the above.

Horrendous things like that is exactly why Asus can't charge a premium as you get utter crap back that just barely works if you have to RMA.

Support is a separate department, and ASUS doesn't seem to have it all together.

Its priced higher the same reason a BMW or a Mercedes is priced higher. Because they can. Its marketed as an exclusive, premium product for hardcore gamers. The price helps to sell it. If its more expensive, it MUST be good!

I'm talking about the marketing strategy. Why they price the product at that level. Not what its actually worth.

[Ket]

I take it that you only have a knowledge of the P5Q BIOS and do not modify any other BIOS's, such as the P5K?

More along the lines of I'm ONE (1) person. Not many, nor am I an octopus Theres only so much I can do at any one time and as I have said before, unless there are expectional circumstances (such as truehighrollers) I am NOT going to be modding all kinds of BIOS files simply because I A: Don't have the time, and B: Its not like any company is paying me to do this. I started it simply because I was pissed off at the ty condition Asus let the P5Q Series out the door in.

[hema]

what about insert some options from Maximus-II-ASUS-Formula- to the last version there was not to have the CPU M-E option.
this project still keep on or what

[CryptiK]

That much I knew. Let me expand a bit, my Weak core is Core1 in Prime95,so I am wondering if I disabled PH1 on both banks and or Messed with the Skews if this would help at all with that. GTL's are the best they will ever get, as well as VTT and NB voltage and the NB GTL.

Thanks for the reply Dee

Larry

CPU and NB clock skews affect the cpu and northbridge respectively. When you increase the FSB, especially above 400, the clock begins to drift, and the clock skew setting allows you to pull it back a little. This can aid stability. With wolfdales, anywhere from 100 - 500ps delay can help, usually 300 - 500 get the best results. I'm not sure about quads, I've never owned one. With the NB clock skew, it can be used in conjunction with the cpu clock skew, but it requires less adjustment, usually 100 - 300ps works well.

The 'Pull-ins' relate to memory channel phases. Enabling the phase pull-ins theoretically reduces the latency and increases the performance a little, kind of like reducing the PL but not as strong an effect. However, I have actually found that on my P5Q-Deluxe and Maximus II Formula the pullins do absolutely nothing.

[Mick64]

More along the lines of I'm ONE (1) person. Not many, nor am I an octopus Theres only so much I can do at any one time and as I have said before, unless there are expectional circumstances (such as truehighrollers) I am NOT going to be modding all kinds of BIOS files simply because I A: Don't have the time, and B: Its not like any company is paying me to do this. I started it simply because I was pissed off at the ty condition Asus let the P5Q Series out the door in.

Thank you for posting a reply! I can well understand where your coming from, just thought as you are modding the ASUS P5Q BIOS you might have a go at modding some other ASUS BIOS's. Perhaps you could make this into some kind of business?