I just can't believe these guys keep on posting synthetics. For reference, in 3dmark06 If I push my 4850 from stock to 835/1200 I get a pretty weak increase. Still far below a 4870. Doing the same in Vantage allows me to push past a 4870. 3dmark06 or before is NOT accurate for current gen gpu's. Other limiting factors set in. Maybe some actual worthwhile comparisons will be posted by those who have both, but since this has already been stated like 50 times in this thread I wont hold my breath .