4850 vs 9800GTX+

[JS1234]

and you might need to get a 20$ accelero s1 for it, but who really cares, its a solid universal cooler, so its not really fair to tack it onto the vga price

I have one right now on my 8800gt. Only problem is when i go to put it on a 4850...bye bye warranty!

[zanzabar]

who cares, if u broke it u oced it or hit unlock on CCC and that voids the warranty, just put the old one back on if u care so much and send it back

they also cant void the warranty for removing the cooler its part of normal use and maintenance since u should change the paste every so often so it wont cake, if u damage it by romiving the cooler is different than removing it

[adrift02]

Um, my 4850 @835/1200 beats a stock 4870 in every bench I have tried. I don't know how much a 9800 will OC, but considering the 4850-->4870 is just a memory difference I doubt a 9800 will scale as well. And, even though I am on water, this OC is easily achievable with an Accelero.

And to the fool using 3dmark06, that crap is cpu bound. Try vantage if you need a synthetic to prove it to you.

All things stock, I can only think of Crysis where the 9800gtx(+) wins...

But, as for Nvidia vs ATI.....EVGA FTW!

[gOtVoltage]

did u change the name of 2dmark before benching amd throttles their cards now, and NV uses custom filters and changes prerendered frames so that 500 point difference will go way

and gtx+ and gtx both have the 65nm, there are few gtx+ with the 55nm, and they are the same architecture just oced


test usefull things like COD4 or UT

Ive emailed Nvidia and EVGA when the GTX+ first came out.The GPU coding for 55nm was the same as the old 65nm so it would register as 65nm on some cards,,Rivatuner would only read 65nm,,Wizzard could not get the GPU's to display correct info untill Nvidia corrected the GPU coding problem with the 55nm GPU's.. ATM The GTX+ comes in 55nm only. the First Gen9800GTX is 65nm...the 9800gt is 65nm 2007 - 2008/june..2008july was the only 9800gt HYBRID card that came with 55nm ..Some cards had left over 65nm on GT's only....Ive even confirmed with BFGtech as well..

As for the SM3 score being low ,, well i just raised the GPU to 800 and memory to 1150..on GTX+9800 (this is still lower than the 4850 clocks i used...im almost at 16000 now .. the 4850 dosnt even come close..

I know dont even say it,,I ONLY use 3dmark06 just for a quik speed referance only...and to test Overclock some before i game ( so please dont bash me on this)

If a card has a abnormaly low score ,, dosnt run or corrupt runs then something is or may be way off system wise. Even a Oc can be too big period.. Usually overheating and or a card may not be switching its powerclocks properly (powerplay for example or Hybrid switching).3Dmark06 helps find the culprit when pushed too far with stock cooling.

I will always use games for my final thoughts ...
ATM,,Crysis is at my Nieghbors who will be home after graveyard..so i may not post Crysis till tommorw...

Maybe ill download the new Warhead demo/bench...I dont have many Games ATM due to my brother taking them..So bear with me..The GTX+ scales better than the 4850 overclock wise with a mere 100mhz less on the Vram too ,,GTX9800+ Overclocking with stock cooler its already far past what the 4850 overclocked in my first post score( was max the 4850 did).

1st overclock on 9800GTX+,,
50mhz more than stock on GPU//150+mhzShader//50mhz on vdimm = 2300mhz...



Oh the Overclocking with the 4850 was done using AMDgpuCLOCKtool with CCC overclcoking disabled and No throttling...I very aware of ATi's problems as well as Nvidia's...Also ATM HYBRID 55nm tech performs better than the 55nm PowerPlay...

15500+ using a Single 9800GTX+ and Phenom? .
Even with a Single 4850 and Phenom..?
On stock cooling , no Vmods. Ive seen Scores above 16000 but they are SLI or CROSSFIRE with a Q series @3.6+...this is what made me put my two cards head to head.. I kept the overall best performer for Overclocking and FPS and Reliability...The 4850 was not reliable with heat problems(thats why i water cooled it) it had bad powerplay issues untill i kept the Clocks the Same for 2d/3D..Shouldnt have to do that with any driver period!..

I should be able to post some Game results tomorrow hopefully..If not it will be a week ,,Because ill be off to Bakersfield SoCal till then.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Ive emailed Nvidia and EVGA when the GTX+ first came out.The GPU coding for 55nm was the same as the old 65nm so it would register as 65nm on some cards,,Rivatuner would only read 65nm,,Wizzard could not get the GPU's to display correct info untill Nvidia corrected the GPU coding problem with the 55nm GPU's.. ATM The GTX+ comes in 55nm only. the First Gen9800GTX is 65nm...the 9800gt is 65nm 2007 - 2008/june..2008july was the only 9800gt HYBRID card that came with 55nm ..Some cards had left over 65nm on GT's only....Ive even confirmed with BFGtech as well..

As for the SM3 score being low ,, well i just raised the GPU to 800 and memory to 1150..on GTX+9800 (this is still lower than the 4850 clocks i used...im almost at 16000 now .. the 4850 dosnt even come close..

I know dont even say it,,I ONLY use 3dmark06 just for a quik speed referance only...and to test Overclock some before i game ( so please dont bash me on this)

If a card has a abnormaly low score ,, dosnt run or corrupt runs then something is or may be way off system wise. Even a Oc can be too big period.. Usually overheating and or a card may not be switching its powerclocks properly (powerplay for example or Hybrid switching).3Dmark06 helps find the culprit when pushed too far with stock cooling.

I will always use games for my final thoughts ...
ATM,,Crysis is at my Nieghbors who will be home after graveyard..so i may not post Crysis till tommorw...

Maybe ill download the new Warhead demo/bench...I dont have many Games ATM due to my brother taking them..So bear with me..The GTX+ scales better than the 4850 overclock wise with a mere 100mhz less on the Vram too ,,GTX9800+ Overclocking with stock cooler its already far past what the 4850 overclocked in my first post score( was max the 4850 did).

1st overclock on 9800GTX+,,
50mhz more than stock on GPU//150+mhzShader//50mhz on vdimm = 2300mhz...



Oh the Overclocking with the 4850 was done using AMDgpuCLOCKtool with CCC overclcoking disabled and No throttling...I very aware of ATi's problems as well as Nvidia's...Also ATM HYBRID 55nm tech performs better than the 55nm PowerPlay...

15500+ using a Single 9800GTX+ and Phenom? .
Even with a Single 4850 and Phenom..?
On stock cooling , no Vmods. Ive seen Scores above 16000 but they are SLI or CROSSFIRE with a Q seriers@3.6+...this is what made me put my two cards head to head.. I kept the overall best performer for Overclocking and FPS and Reliability...The 4850 was not reliable with heat problems(thats why i water cooled it) it had bad powerplay issues untill i kept the Clocks the Same for 2d/3D..Shouldnt have to do that with any driver period!..

I should be able to post some Game results tomorrow hopefully..If not it will be a week ,,Because ill be off to Bakersfield SoCal till then.

so your saying you compared the 4850 with CAT 8.5 to current release Nvidia drivers... thats a proper comparison

[xMrBunglex]

next person to post a 3DMark06 run gets hit with the banstick.

also, a quick search through Newegg shows me that most 4850's being sold right now have dual slot aftermarket coolers. so you can all throw the cooler idea out the window too.

next excuse? i'm surprised no one has said they "just don't like red" yet.

[cowie]

yeah no need to put up 3dmark benches its no contest at same cpu speeds..
the gtx+ is not 55nm?.....lol just like the aa is better on the 4850.
screw it wait for a intel card
what i found was wierd when it came to aa.af on the 4850 is that say in SSII i'd benchmark it highest setting and seen that it ran 5-7fps faster than the gtx+.....but till i looked close and seen jaggies all over the darn thing,the 4850 would not even set aa/af or if it did it looked bad.
that may have happened in some reviews idk?

and they finally have a proper cooler yippy...and in 4-5 months a better driver....man the old tech gtx+ is got the new tech 4850 looking old

[gOtVoltage]

Ok i wont use that 3Dword anymore...

I do Like Red Team alot..
3870's and 4870's...

4850's are nice for the price when they run right and dont have CCC/ powerplay or profile issues..Or overclocking issues with Driver.

I was trying to Compare Stock vs Stock using PHENOM @ 3.45-3.5ghz..

I gave the 4850 the Advantage .
I even Watercooled it ,so the heatsink would not be a factor,,
I didnt want fan profiles or CCC fubaring results(limiting Overclocks)..it still lost clock for clock GPU vs GPU vram vs vram..

(16161)GTX+..830//2400mhz ,Yes thats nice on StockAir.
(15086)ATI4850 @ 800/2400mhz its not running Slow either..

The GTX+ is that much faster speed wise,, the 1000+ points shows that. Now for AA/AF thats where Games Come into play..

Its real easy to see how the 4850 and 9800GTX+ Perform speed wise CLOCK 4 CLOCK. Im no fricken Guru ,, this aint rocket science.


NOTE:
The Cat driver I used was XP/32bit 8.8 BETA(8.522.2 for 4800series which was also the testBeta/Alfa to 8.53 (8.9cat) for XP32 . It is NOT CAT8.5...Please Do not state i used CAT8.5 when i did not .

GTX+ is not slow at all..
Its reliable and can run the same framrates as the 4850...
It even overclocks better clock for Clock . 10.1 is useless ATM..new cards will trump these when 10.1 is of any use at all.

You guys probally hate me by now

P.S. GTX+ = 55nm Its not a 65 remake.

thanks gotVoltage

[cowie]

man gotVoltage,your ram on the gtx+ is slow mine goes 2500+

[gOtVoltage]

man gotVoltage,your ram on the gtx+ is slow mine goes 2500+

hahaa i only just started with this thing.. ,,You joking ,,it does 2500mhz with stock cooler?

[cowie]

yup 2560 for one card other does 2575!!
he he more 3d
i i know know just meaningless benchmarks
its no rocket with stock volts and fan but close enuff
842/2100/2420
default fan speeds 35% test fan speed 100%

runs so cool that i thuoght maybe riva was wrong, but than i thuoght riva temps wrong? no way lol
i could not get this card over the 50c range in 69f room.
all i did was tighten the heatsink screws and turn up fan,so its out of the box performance.
o6 16700

06 done with e8500@4.1
o3 e8500 @4.27 842/2100/2420

52k

compared to a voltmdded,cooler and fan modded 4850 with a qx9650 no less????
here o3 4850 @920/1185 qx@4.4!!

ok 4850 920/1185 qx4.4 17800 set to kill 1.55v


remember boys and girls dont try this on a stock 4850 fan
BTW ACs1 cooler 30usd and fan was 20usd,at least the pencil for v-mod was free
both cards set to perfomamce at driver level
so cool running and fast,what you expect from a 200usd card
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more gtx+ 3d
last page of my gtx+ vs 4850 in 3dmarks my fav games<no crappy console port at least lol
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread....07#post2784607

[zanzabar]

so your saying you compared the 4850 with CAT 8.5 to current release Nvidia drivers... thats a proper comparison

thats the best drivers for 3d mark for single card

[jam2k]

1600x1200 8xAA/16xAF the 4850 is 41% faster than the 9800GTX+

Link

[Sparky]

I have one right now on my 8800gt. Only problem is when i go to put it on a 4850...bye bye warranty!

Get asus, you can pull the cooler and keep the warranty. I think visiontek is the same way also, plus they have a lifetime warranty. Powercolor has a lifetime warranty too.

[Tonucci]

They trade blows here and there. The GTX+ is usually faster without AA, while the 4850 is generally faster with 8x AA. But it all depends on the game, resolution, settings... Not possible to make an absolute statement.

The OP should just read a few reviews and decide based on the results @ his monitor res, AA preference and games.

We are not helping him with so much subjectivity, 3dmark etc... there is plenty of concrete, solid evidence out there, so he can make an informed decision.

[adrift02]

I just can't believe these guys keep on posting synthetics. For reference, in 3dmark06 If I push my 4850 from stock to 835/1200 I get a pretty weak increase. Still far below a 4870. Doing the same in Vantage allows me to push past a 4870. 3dmark06 or before is NOT accurate for current gen gpu's. Other limiting factors set in. Maybe some actual worthwhile comparisons will be posted by those who have both, but since this has already been stated like 50 times in this thread I wont hold my breath .

[JS1234]

Get asus, you can pull the cooler and keep the warranty. I think visiontek is the same way also, plus they have a lifetime warranty. Powercolor has a lifetime warranty too.

Are you sure? Because the main thing that im worried about is the 3rd party cooler. I know my A S1 is better then any cooler some company sticks on there.

They trade blows here and there. The GTX+ is usually faster without AA, while the 4850 is generally faster with 8x AA. But it all depends on the game, resolution, settings... Not possible to make an absolute statement.

The OP should just read a few reviews and decide based on the results @ his monitor res, AA preference and games.

We are not helping him with so much subjectivity, 3dmark etc... there is plenty of concrete, solid evidence out there, so he can make an informed decision.

Well i have. I have read tons of reviews and it looks like they're about even. I just thought id ask people who knew more then me.

This is such a tough decision because they're both good cards. In all of the reviews the 4850 wins then the 9800GTX+ wins. Maybe to help decide i should look at warranties? I mean if there really isnt a clear winner here then wouldnt you look at that? It's not like a 4870 vs GTX280 where you know the GTX is a bit better, but the 4870 is like half the price.

[cowie]

I just can't believe these guys keep on posting synthetics. For reference, in 3dmark06 If I push my 4850 from stock to 835/1200 I get a pretty weak increase. Still far below a 4870. Doing the same in Vantage allows me to push past a 4870. 3dmark06 or before is NOT accurate for current gen gpu's. Other limiting factors set in. Maybe some actual worthwhile comparisons will be posted by those who have both, but since this has already been stated like 50 times in this thread I wont hold my breath .

what is all you do is game?
i did not mean to freak any one out posting 3dbenchmarks

the only actual worthwhile comparisons with these cards is only what i see for myself,you may differ.
you can't go wrong either way believe me,those 4850's can clock on air very well also(with cooling and volts)
flip a coin already

[adrift02]

I was actually referring more to gotvoltage's multiple posts of misinformation.

I would honestly like to see a true overclock performance comparison (using games or at least a true synthetic test like vantage...preferably games).

[insurgent]

I expect BS like ATI drivers are worst in other forums but really I see it here more than in other sites, and all the other fud like build quality and worse AA. Also if you're going to claim one card trumps the other in most games then post those game benches with detailed info instead of 3dmark06 only so everyone can see how much faster it really is. We're not really learning anything in this type of threads other than who's a fanboy of which brand.

[RejZoR]

I had no problems with HD4850 ever since i bought it. Not performance and not stability wise either with hardware or software. It overclocks nicely and have now even flashed it with higher clocks permanently. If AMD continues this trend i'll most certanly buy their next card. It's simply good

[gOtVoltage]

I only used 3Dmark06 to show the overclock Comparison ( a Quik test )....


Its lame how people just like to crap.
No Vista on the Oc rig or i woulda used that other bullcrap test too to show the Clock speeds ...funny how some people cant read ,,

As i typed " ill post GAME Benches when i get back from Bakersfield"..but they are just blind and inconsiderate.

I use both Nvidia and ATI...
The GTX+ has less headaches/problems/even the Driver can be removed and installed easier for most people...It Dosnt overheat ,, It Dosnt limit the Overclock with CCC,, It dosnt need a after market cooler,, To top it off A EvgaGTX+ has a better warranty vs Sapphire,ASUS AND Visiontek..

You Know its too easy for Fanboys to bash people . Im not a Fanboy of either .Its amazing how the ATi fanboys bite when i point out troublesome facts beside thier oooo i can run 8xAA or it beats GTX+ this and that. Hahaa 8xAA/AF isnt everything and is one of the only real things 4850 has along with the DVDcodecs..

A 4850 FPS wise ,,its close in almost every resoluntion. The GTX+ performs the same or outshines it FPS.. teh 4850 has the AA but not the overallSpeed/FPS. Its a give or take effect. ..Just GOOGLE the numerouse reviews...

Price of ignorance is high ,,Reliability and Ease of install and A great warranty should come before anything else.

I even thought at once the 4850 OMG it has 8xAA at bla bla bla,,Really dosnt make a crap differance between 4xAA and 8xAA in most games/ resolutions that Either card could run..Youll also have to turn AA down some anyhow to get a balance of performance and looks.

Hmm last time i checked DX10 and DX10.1 guys its practically the same fricken thing,, Most likely DX10/10.1 will be revised and outdated before you can take advantage of it...

Think what you want of me... You can find out any/all the problems people have experianced with 4850/GTX+ again with a simple google..

3Dmark06 screens . Seems to of agitated some ATIfanboys..Funny to see people hate so much..I wish there were more disrespectfull people like that ,, Makes me wonder why Our Brothers and sisters fight for some ones stupid disrespectfull freedom.

To the OP,,

Look at the whole picture not just AA/FPS 4850ATI Fans say its the best hands down..50%people say 4850 wins,, 50%say theres more to it than that..
Would you jump in front of a Train because your friends say it will stop in time..It takes about a 1/4mile ..

ATI,,
Asus Toxic comes with Zalman cooler 3yr,, Visiontek is only Lifetime Warranty for ATI..Stay away from Sapphire..

Nvidia ,,
Lifetime Warranty BFG-tech or EVGA Stepup/limited lifetime and XFX/double lifetimeWarranty

Im shure youve noticed Each card has its ups and downs.. Ive decided to not post the Crysis /Warhead game benches sorry,,
A few know everything,,they dont need the comparision..

[insurgent]

Yeah right, fanboy because I ask for benches, whenever I ask for benches and proof it's an ati fanboy whining and whatever shyt, right? Just cut the bs and post those benches so someone actually learns something useful. You said earlier it gets beat and we're supposed to take your word for it? And then now we should just google for reviews, geez I wonder why I haven't done that? Oh right I already have, since months ago! I don't even care if the 4850 loses by 10+ fps in all games because from where I am Nv cards are a lot more expensive, just because you got price cuts doesn't mean the whole world did. The point? I bought the card based on the best deal not some blind loyalty to a brand. I'm not the one who claimed anything so I don't have anything to prove. If the GTX+ is actually a lot better in most games then that makes the choice easier, I haven't seen your benches though just 3dmark06. Oh hey the 2900XT gets good scores in 3dmark too, it must be one hell of a card, no?

[cowie]

its easy to find numbers on the net

whats the coin toss now being disputed?lol

[insurgent]

To quote him, "Review links and real life are two different things.." and you show Tom's testing?

He said the GTX+ is hands down better,I'm curious to see his results, show me the benches because I wanna know by how much, it's a fanboy thing. He's not going to own me by showing the GTX+ is really better, it just adds to the data, spewing bs and fud does not.

And the DVI thing, it's possibly Nv drivers corrupting the edid so yeah, ati has worse drivers.