Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

[JumpingJack]

How could you read this as ”don’t compile” ?
Do you know the difference between full rebuilds and when you just change one cpp file.

I misunderstood, I thought you said compile time wasn't important. And yes, i do know the difference.

[chuckbam]

I misunderstood, I thought you said compile time wasn't important. And yes, i do know the difference.

What does that have to do with the Nehalem Launch?

[Movieman]

you will be able to review the Intel's 6-core Dunnington I am imagining you counting the days till it comes to your door step

Nothing definate yet but when I inquired on doing a review on a Gainstown(dual socket Nehalem) they asked if I would be interested in doing a review on a 24 core Dunnington board first.
At first I said no as I was thinking I'd have to provide the cpu's,memory,etc..
That's close to $11,000.00...

[Blauhung]

Nothing definate yet but when I inquired on doing a review on a Gainstown(dual socket Nehalem) they asked if I would be interested in doing a review on a 24 core Dunnington board first.
At first I said no as I was thinking I'd have to provide the cpu's,memory,etc..
That's close to $11,000.00...

so my question is. What did you do to convince them that your part of the press?

[Movieman]

so my question is. What did you do to convince them that your part of the press?

I didn't. I told them I was a moderator on XS and a devouted "dualie" person and wanted to show all these crazed gamers that there were options out there that they might want to look at.
Now the fact that when I posted the review it was grabbed by a ton of sites all over Europe didn't exactly hurt either.

[Drwho?]

I asked Dr.Who? ( Francois Piednoel from Intel) that same question and his response was as said above here:
"The expiration of the NDA is under NDA"
Then laughed. Good to see these people with a sense of humor.
My guess is that they are still refining these and don't want any 'official" numbers released until they are happy with the results.
Also possible that they still may have small issues to deal with.
The MB manufacturers seemed to be tossing fits over the tri channel memory and making it work right.
Then also the still up in the air issues on memory standardisation on these boards..DDR3-1066,1333?????

Nehalem and its plafform is a very complex change, we are busy making sure it is rock solid. More than 800Millions transistors, new Bus interface, new IO subsystem, performance validation and functional validation are exponentially complexe. It does increase as a permutation of combination.
People rarely understand the scale of validating a processor, it is looking for a niddle in 800millions parts ... with a motherboard team, a CPU team, a BUS team, a performance team, a Quality team, and several version of the CPU, for mobile, desktop, server multi processor ...
I am lucky enough to live this from the inside, right now, there are thousands of people busy, working like ants, and I admire the General manager for making all of this happen in parallele. Attention to details is critical.

We are paranoid, as Andy Groove taught us, so, even if it looks ready, we got to have the CPU and motherboard good enough to face the hightest requirements. This is almost an impossible task that we are after, we need time for this. We are workig hard on it, very hard, week end and nights are too short

[PetNorth]

aka, nehalem isn't ready.

[informal]

It's very complex so it's understandable.Intel can now see how hard it is to validate such a complex chip (and still make a mistake in the process->Barcelona launch and TLB issues).Deneb is having a bit over 700mil. transistors,although the platform is already validated(AM2+),hence easier time for competitor from that pov at the moment.
Intel is having a tough job as DrWho said,with all the platform changes that were done with Nehalem.But it's a huge company with a lot of awesome engineers,they'll probably make it on time.

[Donnie27]

At that link they show the older 4 core chip for the Tigerton board(quad core,quad socket, older 604 pinned socket) but they are talking about the new 6 core chip that is supposed to be a drop in replacement for that.
This is the one I was talking about that I may get to review..
24 cores on one board..

Hehehe! Yes but that is a big sum-bee-otch!

[Drwho?]

aka, nehalem isn't ready.

aka, we are QAing it. no need to spin it negatively, it is a normal process, nothing wrong. It is ready when we launch it, not before.

[Shintai]

It's very complex so it's understandable.Intel can now see how hard it is to validate such a complex chip (and still make a mistake in the process->Barcelona launch and TLB issues).Deneb is having a bit over 700mil. transistors,although the platform is already validated(AM2+),hence easier time for competitor from that pov at the moment.
Intel is having a tough job as DrWho said,with all the platform changes that were done with Nehalem.But it's a huge company with a lot of awesome engineers,they'll probably make it on time.

Its normal. I´m sure things like the Itanium gets even more validated than a K10 ever was or Nehalem.

And its all on time.

Not sure what you try to spin out of it. That ohh its so hard to validate now? Along with its so hard AMD failed on K10?

[informal]

More than 800Millions transistors, new Bus interface, new IO subsystem, performance validation and functional validation are exponentially complexe. It does increase as a permutation of combination.

Shintai,what part of the above is hard for you to grasp?

[savantu]

Its normal. I´m sure things like the Itanium gets even more validated than a K10 ever was or Nehalem.

....

Montecito took 2 years to validate after tape out; the biggest problem was Foxton which was eventually killed.Btw , Itaniums are tested in a heavy radiation environment at Los Alamos were it was exposed to neutron beams.

Page 22 http://h20427.www2.hp.com/event/kr/k...0solutions.pdf

[Anemone]

Well having paid those long nights myself on our own projects, I know there has to be a ton of work going into this final stage. And we all know that it only takes one bad part deep in the chip to spoil our fun too. So patience is a good thing for both sides in this process.

I think sometimes it's like watching a fancy car come off the line. You are itching to drive it, but you have to let QA and all the checks go on first, so you know it's really GTG when you get the keys. I feel like it won't be a lot longer, but I also know I'm appreciative of the thoroughness that Intel puts into getting the chip right. Isn't that the very reason we love Intel chipsets for example? Because they work, solidly, the way we like.

I7 is coming. Just needs a bit more time for the finishing labor and touches and then we'll be enjoying it.

[JumpingJack]

What does that have to do with the Nehalem Launch?

Absolutely nothing.

[Donnie27]

aka, we are QAing it. no need to spin it negatively, it is a normal process, nothing wrong. It is ready when we launch it, not before.

Sure and of most us are glad you guys don't have to rush out a product with TLB bugs and etc... Then be desperate enough to sell and not at least offer an exchange. Well almost, see below?*

The good!

To the other guys, give Intel props for choosing something doable in the first place. I remember certain folks here at XtremeSystems mocking Intel, making the wrong choice by going with MCM they said. Then went on about how Native Dual Core would crush them. At least admit Intel was right? It's not like Conroe was easy. Give Intel credit for not making the same mistake AMD did.

The bad!

Why I'll still just watch the Nehalem launch without buying one.

*My Wolfdale C0 is a fine processor but seems broke and parts missing compared to the E0 that has more features, runs cooler (I'm talking stock, not overclocking) and has less errata. Sure its faster than Conroe and even my bud's A64 X2 at 3.1GHz, but it is slower, hotter, and etc... than the newer E8400 E0 he just replaced that AA64@3.1GHz with.

I'll wait for a couple of steppings before I touch Nehalem! I honestly feel I didn't get the best deal with this Wolfdale! Don't want to make that mistake again. It's not a TLB bug but IMHO, it ain't far from it

[chuckbam]

I am going to hold for a while. I don't know if I need the fancy retail board. DDR3 tri kits should come down. I want a second Video to Cross-fire. And, a TB Seagate. I am thinking like next April. I do want the Bloomfield w/ the tri channel and 12 GB of mem.

Do the vanilla Asus P35 come with an OC bios?

[Donnie27]

I am going to hold for a while. I don't know if I need the fancy retail board. DDR3 tri kits should come down. I want a second Video to Cross-fire. And, a TB Seagate. I am thinking like next April. I do want the Bloomfield w/ the tri channel and 12 GB of mem.

Do the vanilla Asus P35 come with an OC bios?

Yes!

[chuckbam]

Yes!

Well if one comes out like that, with a good phase Power, I will get an vanilla i7 board. One problem, I need the Intel Raid.

[Donnie27]

Well if one comes out like that, with a good phase Power, I will get an vanilla i7 board. One problem, I need the Intel Raid.

Of course. Some boards have better support than others.

Note I'll believe a Budget or even Mainstream board for Bloomfield when I see it. Anything coming from or meant for Intel with the letter "X" means eXpensive. X58 is more than likely just that. But everything I've heard or been told is that it will be worth every cent.

[chuckbam]

Of course. Some boards have better support than others.

Note I'll believe a Budget or even Mainstream board for Bloomfield when I see it. Anything coming from or meant for Intel with the letter "X" means eXpensive. X58 is more than likely just that. But everything I've heard or been told is that it will be worth every cent.

Well if I need to buy the box an all the cables, I will. I think you are 1000% about no bland boards at first. But, I don't know if that will be true after everything settles down. That is why I am thinking April or even out to July. Also, I have jumped early many times before, just to buy rev. 1.1 a few months later I only want to build my new system one time next year.

God, please give me the strength to wait a bit.

[Donnie27]

Well if I need to buy the box an all the cables, I will. I think you are 1000% about no bland boards at first. But, I don't know if that will be true after everything settles down. That is why I am thinking April or even out to July. Also, I have jumped early many times before, just to buy rev. 1.1 a few months later I only want to build my new system one time next year.

God, please give me the strength to wait a bit.

I'm thinking more like Aug or Sept 09. Performance gains will have to be pretty dramatic for me to jump the gun.

[PetNorth]

aka, we are QAing it. no need to spin it negatively, it is a normal process, nothing wrong. It is ready when we launch it, not before.

hehe obviously. And I feel that it is later than Intel thought. Some guy filtered a september launch, but this thing isn't ready yet (IMO due to some problem not expected).

[Shintai]

hehe obviously. And I feel that it is later than Intel thought. Some guy filtered a september launch, but this thing isn't ready yet (IMO due to some problem not expected).

Who, fuad?

September would be Q3. And its always been a Q4 product.

[Jacky]

Have you seen theis chinese test already? http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/revie...426985_10.html
The numbers are quite a mixed bag it seems, I hope I got the (quick and dirty) clock for clock comparison with penryn more or less right:
SuperPI MOD 1.4 --- 19,3%
WinRar 3.71 --- 77,3%
Fritz Chess --- 29%
Cinebench R10, singlethread --- 6,7%
Cinebench R10, 4CPU --- 25,7%
TMPGEnc 4.5 --- (-8%)
3dMark06, CPU --- 13.9%
Vantage, CPU --- 50.5%
Call of Duty DX9 --- (-8,6%)
Half Life 2: EP2 --- 2.3%
Wold in Conflict --- 6.6%
Company of Heroes --- (-7.2%)
Devil May Cry --- 5.1%