Nvidia GT200-successor on 22th October?

[bedlamite]

Pardon my ignorance, but is that pic illustrating the bandwidth usage difference between tile based rendering versus total fragment rendering?

Yep.

[Cybercat]

Man, that's a huge difference. I wonder if it would even be possible for NVIDIA and ATI to move to that model without too much driver reworking.

I heard though that the G80 does some form of tile rendering.

http://www.icare3d.org/GPU/CN08

[bedlamite]

Well, rather not.
It's possible in Larrabee, because it keeps tiles in L2 cache, so it reads each pixel only once.

[Macadamia]

You are counteragrueing yourself. No low supply, AMD get all there is and only 3 lowvolume cards with GDDR5.

See it?

And right now, even with a shrink, faster GDDR5 speeds doesnt matter much if any. Maybe on RV870+

But hopefully AMD and nVidia will jump on the same wagon as Intels Larrabee.

You mean the card's that gonna be 1/2 the speed of R900? Good!

[Xoulz]

GDDR4 is and was a failure. So lets drop that part.

GDDR5 is still in low supply. If nVidia had gone GDDR5 aswell. There would be a huge supply issue. And AMD already got all the supply. In short, until GDDR5 gets enough volume and gets cheap enough. 512But GDDR3 or 256bit GDDR5 is basicly the same in all aspects. 256bit GDDR5 is the winner in the long run tho when GDDR5 prices comes down and supply increases.

So its not a matter of if GT200 supports GDDR5 or not. Bandwidth doesnt matter atm.

nVidia failed because they thought AMD would go the cheap small route again. So they put their money on 480SP or so. Not 800.

Bandwidth has always been a problem! Since Everquest, video cards have always had a hard time dealing with the game world, simply due to the limitations of bandwidth and memory size.

All the stuttering that goes on is almost solely due to lack of bandwidth and/or only 1gig of memory. I'm sick of this. Who cares about max fps or even shaders, when every game glitches when entering a building or awsome spot... totally ruining the experience.




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[waver_01]

http://austin.net.au/ProductList/tab...GRAPHICS+CARDS

[Stukov]

Bandwidth has always been a problem! Since Everquest, video cards have always had a hard time dealing with the game world, simply due to the limitations of bandwidth and memory size.

All the stuttering that goes on is almost solely due to lack of bandwidth and/or only 1gig of memory. I'm sick of this. Who cares about max fps or even shaders, when every game glitches when entering a building or awsome spot... totally ruining the experience.

And alot of games use streaming textures so that even 1GB cards or more aren't taken advantage of, you still have to load the textures over the system bus to the card.

Every game should have the option of putting everything in the ram/vram.

[BenchZowner]

And alot of games use streaming textures so that even 1GB cards or more aren't taken advantage of, you still have to load the textures over the system bus to the card.

Every game should have the option of putting everything in the ram/vram.

Partially true.

Xoulz man... that game and the previous Elders Scroll suck big time, and their programmers even more.

Just because you see stuttering doesn't make your assumption true.
That's not an issue of the graphics card memory bandwidth ( which is godly high for those games ) neither the VGA's FB capacity ( 512MB is more than ok for those games ).
It's just a stupid programmer and no future-proofing their game with advanced "options" to preload the whole world into the VRAM.

You'd be surprised if you check the VRAM consumption of nowadays games ( past games aren't even worth it... max ~200MB ) and how much of the VRAM BW the cards are utilizing.

[r4gm4n]

ooooh - GTX 350.... Better not require more power else its a flop in my case no matter what performance numbers its brings out! But with 2GB GDDR5 surely thats gotta be a X2 card of some sort. Hopefully they've got the ATI route with of X2 cards

[Extelleron]

ooooh - GTX 350.... Better not require more power else its a flop in my case no matter what performance numbers its brings out! But with 2GB GDDR5 surely thats gotta be a X2 card of some sort. Hopefully they've got the ATI route with of X2 cards

Considering the HD 4870 X2 consumes around 100W more than the GTX 280, nVidia has plenty of room to increase power consumption and I am sure that they will do so. I hope that the GTX 350 doesn't consume as much as the 4870 X2 though, the insane power consumption is something that is keeping me away. I could probably handle the X2 but my 520W PSU would be crying.

[v_rr]

Nope, still too much power drawn, still too big cooler, still too big card.

Some HD4550/9400GT cards...

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-09-11/29a.png

Hum?



This is a small card with plently of tecnology and speed.
The HD4550/9400GT are micro cards with stupid performance for a standalone card. They decode HD and not much more.

Otherwise the HD 4600 play every games with good resolution and good setings. Performance is between HD 3850 - 3870.

[Bo_Fox]

http://austin.net.au/ProductList/tab...GRAPHICS+CARDS

I find it hard to believe that both the GTX 280+ and the GT300 will BOTH be on 55nm.., with the GT300 using GDDR5 memory (if 512-bit bandwidth should already be enough). Perhaps the so-called "GTX 350" will just be a dual-chip card, using the same 55nm chip, since that is what 2GB of GDDR5 memory suggests. Then it makes sense that both are using the same chips after all (and that the GT300 is not a new generation).

[Stukov]

Considering the HD 4870 X2 consumes around 100W more than the GTX 280, nVidia has plenty of room to increase power consumption and I am sure that they will do so. I hope that the GTX 350 doesn't consume as much as the 4870 X2 though, the insane power consumption is something that is keeping me away. I could probably handle the X2 but my 520W PSU would be crying.

The X2 is not that bad, my 700 works fine with 3 hard drives. I think in Guru3d's review the whole system with an E8400 and X2 only pulled ~450 watts at the wall.

[Blacky]

http://austin.net.au/ProductList/tab...GRAPHICS+CARDS

that card would be overkill

[[XC] gomeler]

GTX 350 could easily be a medium-powered 55nm GT200 derivative on a 256-bit bus with 2 chips totaling 512-bit of GDDR5 bandwidth. This would be a very good option for Nvidia to pursue, I doubt with the "350" name it'll be a GPU that requires both 512-bit and GDDR5 for a single-core. After G80 I would have thought Nvidia would have learned about the problem of huge and hot cores, maybe GT300 will be smaller and scale like RV770.

[metro.cl]

http://austin.net.au/ProductList/tab...GRAPHICS+CARDS

that looks like a bad joke, they misspelled NVIDIA (Nidvia)

GTX 350 could easily be a medium-powered 55nm GT200 derivative on a 256-bit bus with 2 chips totaling 512-bit of GDDR5 bandwidth. This would be a very good option for Nvidia to pursue, I doubt with the "350" name it'll be a GPU that requires both 512-bit and GDDR5 for a single-core. After G80 I would have thought Nvidia would have learned about the problem of huge and hot cores, maybe GT300 will be smaller and scale like RV770.

Yup with the 55nm they can go with a lower bus and a X2 model with GDDR5

[villa1n]

http://austin.net.au/ProductList/tab...GRAPHICS+CARDS

That tesla board looks pretty interesting too. I wonder if it will have a hybrid SLI type config, like amd has hybrid Xfire? If thats legit, the 350 has to be a double card.

[Cybercat]

Please, let's quote that picture 500 more times just in case someone missed it!

[AuDioFreaK39]

Please, let's quote that picture 500 more times just in case someone missed it!

I just gave a headstart and posted it on 6 other forums!


I stumbled upon a Hardspell article written July 18, 2008 that speaks of a GTX 350 engineering sample with the same specs as listed above:

HardSpell.com - NVIDIA GTX 350 ES version is ready and the specs revealed?!

We got to know the related news but we are not so sure about this:

NVIDIA GTX 350
GT300 core
55nm technology
576mm
512bit
DDR5 2GB memory, doubled GTX280
480SP doubled GTX280
Grating operation units are 64 the same with GTX280
216G bandwidth
Default 830/2075/3360MHZ
Pixel filling 36.3G pixels/s
Texture filling 84.4Gpixels/s
Cannot support D10.1 .10.0/SM4.0

[Bo_Fox]

GTX 350 could easily be a medium-powered 55nm GT200 derivative on a 256-bit bus with 2 chips totaling 512-bit of GDDR5 bandwidth. This would be a very good option for Nvidia to pursue, I doubt with the "350" name it'll be a GPU that requires both 512-bit and GDDR5 for a single-core. After G80 I would have thought Nvidia would have learned about the problem of huge and hot cores, maybe GT300 will be smaller and scale like RV770.

Yeah, 256x2 bits for a dual-chip configuration makes perfect sense, paired with GDDR5.

However, do not expect Nvidia to maintain integrity with its naming scheme. Remember the 9800GX2? It was a new "generation" from the 8800GT and 8800GT 512MB. Nvidia might just as well do the same thing with its GTX 350, just to make it sound more attractive.

[SKYMTL]

Tell me, what is the best way to get your computer store world renown overnight? Post false GPU SKUs.

[Bo_Fox]

I just gave a headstart and posted it on 6 other forums!


I stumbled upon a Hardspell article written July 18, 2008 that speaks of a GTX 350 engineering sample with the same specs as listed above:

HardSpell.com - NVIDIA GTX 350 ES version is ready and the specs revealed?!

We got to know the related news but we are not so sure about this:

NVIDIA GTX 350
GT300 core
55nm technology
576mm
512bit
DDR5 2GB memory, doubled GTX280
480SP doubled GTX280
Grating operation units are 64 the same with GTX280
216G bandwidth
Default 830/2075/3360MHZ
Pixel filling 36.3G pixels/s
Texture filling 84.4Gpixels/s
Cannot support D10.1 .10.0/SM4.0

Interesting how the specs were already there for like 2 months!

But I thought 576mm^2 is for the 65nm version, not the smaller 55nm version?!? I wonder if it would need a far more exotic cooling solution than the 9800GX2?

[Monkeywoman]

I just gave a headstart and posted it on 6 other forums!


I stumbled upon a Hardspell article written July 18, 2008 that speaks of a GTX 350 engineering sample with the same specs as listed above:

HardSpell.com - NVIDIA GTX 350 ES version is ready and the specs revealed?!

We got to know the related news but we are not so sure about this:

NVIDIA GTX 350
GT300 core
55nm technology
576mm
512bit
DDR5 2GB memory, doubled GTX280
480SP doubled GTX280
Grating operation units are 64 the same with GTX280
216G bandwidth
Default 830/2075/3360MHZ
Pixel filling 36.3G pixels/s
Texture filling 84.4Gpixels/s
Cannot support D10.1 .10.0/SM4.0

wow, if that's real; whats ati go'n to have? better drivers lol?

[Cybercat]

Tell me, what is the best way to get your computer store world renown overnight? Post false GPU SKUs.

Yep.

36.3GP/s fillrate? How is that achieved? 43.7 ROPs? lol

Totally bogus.

[Bo_Fox]

Oh yeah, I overlooked this absurd claim: 830 MHz core clock and 2075 MHz for the 240 shaders... on a dual-chip configuration, I think it's far-fetched.