AMD X2 6500+ coming

[FlanK3r]

-clock on clok with K8 Athlon, 6s better in 1M superpi


-in next few days maybe first test on Computerbase...

[dem0lish3r]

Looks good, a proper low end new gen offering from AMD. The naming will (and already has) confuse the hell out of a lot of people who will think its just same 'ol K8.

[Chri$ch]

in germany available for ~86€

but 95W TDP

[FlanK3r]

in germany available for ~86€

but 95W TDP

real TDp is not 95 TDP, bad marketing TDP from AMD :-/...(95W are x3 8750 with one plus activ core)

[spicypixel]

Can anyone confirm if its the same size die as the X4's, basically checking if its just disabled cores or a newly spun chip.

[largon]

According to that CPU-Z it's a crippled X4, same CPUID.

[Rammsteiner]

Although Super PI can DIAF from my part, that's quite impressive nonetheless. Really looks like a nice HTPC chip.

Weird thing though is that it's a BE and yet the HT-link is at 1.8Ghz?

Im quite curious whether it's just 2 disabled cores or not. I think it would be quite a waste of materials if it actually was.

[YukonTrooper]

Hurray for old technology!

Im quite curious whether it's just 2 disabled cores or not. I think it would be quite a waste of materials if it actually was.

If it is indeed a crippled X4. Better than throwing it in the garbage.

[GAR]

Why cant AMD make a new cpu???? AMD 64 was 2003 technology, get over it and make a new damn cpu already!!!

[Nedjo]

According to that CPU-Z it's a crippled X4, same CPUID.

hmm crippled... doesn't "salvaged" sounds more precise? I mean who in the right mind would cripple fully working piece of highly complex silicon and sell it below price of the fully working parts? It's more reasonable is to capitalize on modular architecture, and salvage any fully working cores... right?

[Nedjo]

Why cant AMD make a new cpu???? AMD 64 was 2003 technology, get over it and make a new damn cpu already!!!

Isn't K10 one year old technology?

[Donnie27]

hmm crippled... doesn't "salvaged" sounds more precise? I mean who in the right mind would cripple fully working piece of highly complex silicon and sell it below price of the fully working parts? It's more reasonable is to capitalize on modular architecture, and salvage any fully working cores... right?

QFT! They all do this.

[Shintai]

3.2Ghz 6400+ K8 vs a 2.3Ghz dualcore K10 6500+? Talk about marketing...

[[XC] gomeler]

Why cant AMD make a new cpu???? AMD 64 was 2003 technology, get over it and make a new damn cpu already!!!

This is a K10 based processor with only 2 active cores, not a K8 with only 2 cores available.

hmm crippled... doesn't "salvaged" sounds more precise? I mean who in the right mind would cripple fully working piece of highly complex silicon and sell it below price of the fully working parts? It's more reasonable is to capitalize on modular architecture, and salvage any fully working cores... right?

Agreed.. this is salvaged silicon, not crippled. This is better than simply tossing the silicon, think of the millions of dollars of "saved" revenue.

[gOJDO]

The 3.2GHz 6400+ K8 will wipe the floor with the 2.3GHz K10 6500- in every single application known to man kind.

AMD started copying nVidia's stupid marketing ideas.

[hollo]

better for us though - the 6500+ would get a much larger % overclock than the 6400+.
not 4ghz on air, mind :P

[Kasparz]

x3 8450 for same price is a lot better chip. Unless this is sold for 50-60eur, it simply makes no sense at all. Even considering x3 8450 is available everywhere for long time, x2 6500 is new chip made from same core, just more crippled than even x3.
In HPM Comp x2 6500 costs 92eur, x4 9950 - 157eur. 2 cores 2.3GHz vs 4cores 2.6GHz
compared to Intel E8400 - 142EUR, Q9650 - 460eur. 2 cores 2.66GHz vs 4 cores 3GHz.
Whats wrong with AMD price policy lately?

[Donnie27]

This is a K10 based processor with only 2 active cores, not a K8 with only 2 cores available.

Agreed.. this is salvaged silicon, not crippled. This is better than simply tossing the silicon, think of the millions of dollars of "saved" revenue.

It doesn't vary as wildly but if AMD tested and 3 cores to do 2.3GHz and one did 2GHz, which offers a better asp? Tri-Core 2.3GHz or Quad 2GHz? It doesn't always mean that that 4th core was dead!

[Donnie27]

x3 8450 for same price is a lot better chip. Unless this is sold for 50-60eur, it simply makes no sense at all. Even considering x3 8450 is available everywhere for long time, x2 6500 is new chip made from same core, just more crippled than even x3.
In HPM Comp x2 6500 costs 92eur, x4 9950 - 157eur. 2 cores 2.3GHz vs 4cores 2.6GHz
compared to Intel E8400 - 142EUR, Q9650 - 460eur. 2 cores 2.66GHz vs 4 cores 3GHz.
Whats wrong with AMD price policy lately?

SO what does the Q6600 and Q9300 cost? Not to mention the E7200 that's faster than most of the 3 tri and dual core Phenoms? Value? If costs are a must, the 5600+ price to performance ratio is hard to beat.

Same site.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14756/3

[Kasparz]

Actually, x4 9950 is priced very well for AMD, both Q66/Q82 is more expensive, but x4 9950 can compete with these two pretty well. But yea, this x2 is totally wrong priced, E5200 should be competitor for this. E5200 costs around 70eur.

[villa1n]

The 3.2GHz 6400+ K8 will wipe the floor with the 2.3GHz K10 6500- in every single application known to man kind.

AMD started copying nVidia's stupid marketing ideas.

apparently not. doesn't look like demolished here and that is just at 2.3... a black edition is meant to be clocked up. So it will beat the 6400+ .

fyi. i know there isn't a system specs for those scores, but there are several reviews i ve seen, they are just in german, so its hard for me to find them, but they have been posted in other threads.

[duploxxx]

3.2Ghz 6400+ K8 vs a 2.3Ghz dualcore K10 6500+? Talk about marketing...

you have a point but that can also be said about your beloved brand....

The 3.2GHz 6400+ K8 will wipe the floor with the 2.3GHz K10 6500- in every single application known to man kind.

AMD started copying nVidia's stupid marketing ideas.

hmm Nvidia's marketing is actually worse, they renew old brand to new series...

regarding speed indeed very strange for sure on a NB speed of 1.8 and only 2,3ghz, maybe if they would start with NB @ 2.2 and 2,5GHZ speed it would have been something.

lets see what OC brings on a 750 board.....

[freeloader]

The 3.2GHz 6400+ K8 will wipe the floor with the 2.3GHz K10 6500- in every single application known to man kind.

AMD started copying nVidia's stupid marketing ideas.

And your proof is where?

[Donnie27]

Actually, x4 9950 is priced very well for AMD, both Q66/Q82 is more expensive, but x4 9950 can compete with these two pretty well. But yea, this x2 is totally wrong priced, E5200 should be competitor for this. E5200 costs around 70eur.

Sure, I just helped a couple of buds pick out good budget systems with a 5600+. One E7200 and one 5600+. Money is tight right now and BOTH are with what they ended up with. When all the flames and bickering is over with, that's all that matters. Must folks will NOT make good use of a Quad core processor. There aren't enough of us geeks to make a difference for Intel or AMD. If either is depending on us, they're screwed.

Again, way too many folks don't uderstand Bang for Buck and how 5600+ made a very good showing for itself for what it costs. It consistantly showed its excellent Value. It's dollar to FPS, Saconds saved, and etc.. kept it at the top of the charts. Think 6500@2.3GHz can do the same?

3.2Ghz 6400+ K8 vs a 2.3Ghz dualcore K10 6500+? Talk about marketing...

you have a point but that can also be said about your beloved brand....

Instead of leaving that open ended, why not give us a link? Not the first time the naming shenanigans have went one. TBread and Barton had similar tricks where older models were faster than their newer name sakes.

It is not completely clear why AMD decided to brand its 2.30GHz processor as Athlon 64 X2 6500, as based on performance estimates, the Athlon X2 6400 (3.20GHz) can offer similar or even higher performance compared to AMD Phenom X3 8750 (2.40GHz). As a result, the new model 6500 may be slower compared to the old model 6400.

In other words, it (6400+) is faster than an X3 at 2.4GHz, why name this one 6500+ at 2.3GHz and only two cores? The whole PR thing was to mislead right from the start.

[stangracin2]

go to link in villians post