"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[sxs112]

What cpu do you have?

E8400 C0

[WildstarOCT]

Hi there!!

I have a problem with my setup, and i´m getting very, very upset

My system:

Q6600 cooled by Tuniq --> L806 B346; VID:1,2625
P5Q Deluxe (BIOS 0803)
GSKILL PC2-8500 (2 x 2048) F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK
Powercolor HD4870
2x Seagate 250GB (ST3250410AS)@RAID0
Corsair HX620

I´m now at 3GHz, with a 333FSB and the memories at 1066Mhz and my voltage definitions are:

CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2)---> 0.630
CPU Voltage-----------------------> 1.268
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3)---> 0.670
CPU PLL Voltage-------------------> 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage-----------> 1.28
NB Voltage------------------------> 1.18
DRAM Voltage---------------------> 1.96
PCIE SATA Voltage----------------> 1.50
SBridge Voltage-------------------> 1.10
NB GTL Reference-----------------> 0.630


My main problem is the fact that the system only boots if a specific divider (FSB/RAM) is used, in my case, FSB=333Mhz and Ram frequency=1066MHz, so the ratio is = 3.201201, i guess.... I´ve tried every one of the other dividers, at the exact same settings, and the system won´t boot. I don´t understand why the hell the memories won´t seem to allow me to use another FSB/RAM ratio.
With this divider, i can achieve ~3.15GHz (RAM~1120MHz), but above that frequency the system becomes unstable. The problem, i think, is the memory frequency (won´t pass memtest but seems stable at the CPU test~Prime95).

Could anyone help me?

Blasar - I have the same mobo / mem / CPU as you, my settings are below. You may need more or less VCORE depending on your CPU to get to 3.4. Try setting to something like 1.40 and see if you can boot.

BTW, I use the yellow memory slots. I also found that FSB Termination Voltage & NB Voltage are essential to stability, at least for my setup. You also need more DRAM voltage, I have mine set to 2.02 b/c the mobo is known to overvolt. Finally, make sure to set your Performance Level to 8. Interestingly, I couldn't post when set higher (10).

AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8X
FSB Frequency: 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 266
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1066
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO (defaults to 52)
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: 8
PULL-INS: All Disabled

CPU Voltage: 1.375
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.63
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.67
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: 0.63
SBridge Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: AUTO
NB Clock Skew: AUTO
CPU Margin: Optimized

[RejZoR]

I couldn't get higher clocks with 1306 but i hope it'll help with stability at current clocks. Man at first i was pushing poor E4300 at over 1,5V and now i can run it just fine at 1,45V.

[SiGfever]

Well I am two hours OCCT "CPU" stable but I need to tweak my ram before moving on. Here are my current settings and I would appreciate suggestions for a starting direction. Full system specs are in my sig. I also updated the spreadsheet for bios 1201.
Thanks.

ASUS P5Q DLX Template :  SiGfever                 
  Ambient: 23.8c
  CPU: Q9550  vid = 1.25
  Memory: G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK
                                                                              
JumperFree Configuration Settings                     
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 415
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1019
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information : 

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [12]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.38125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.32
DRAM Voltage: 2.02
NB Voltage: 1.34
NB GTL Reference: 0.68
SBridge Voltage: Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
NB Clock Skew : Normal
CPU Margin Enhancement: Compatible

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled 

[FinnEire]

At least initially, I am seeing the same thing on my P5Q-E. I flashed 13.06 and lowered my vcore down 2 notches from 1.35v to 1.33+v. It is running prime blend now at 30+ minutes. This is in contrast to any prior BIOS rev where any voltage lower than 1.35 would fail somewhat quickly. May still ultimately error out but if not, I may try to lower again a notch or two.

All other setting remain the same. Only change was in vcore.

Finn

Just a follow-up that overnight one of my cores failed. I am retesting with a bump to NB now. Still, while obviosuly not 100% stable, I never saw this CPU hold this long at this voltage before.

Question for the sages: What typically causes one core to fail in Prime95 while the other keeps chugging along for hours and hours? Any observations or knowledge on this?

Finn

[Big Lar]

Just a follow-up that overnight one of my cores failed. I am retesting with a bump to NB now. Still, while obviosuly not 100% stable, I never saw this CPU hold this long at this voltage before.

Question for the sages: What typically causes one core to fail in Prime95 while the other keeps chugging along for hours and hours? Any observations or knowledge on this?

Finn

Could be quite a few things, but the most likely IMHO is a gtl setting for that core.

On another note, with the new bios, how is the PL, ie; Transaction Booster? Anyone able to lower it from previous version of bios? I am running 803 and up to 480fsb I was able to run 10 with all but 1 pullin enabled, had to raise it considerably to get 485fsb stable.

Larry

[Big Lar]

I forgot a link to the screenshot..still more testing to go at this speed tho.

Larry

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7...0biglarru6.jpg

[NBF]

Memory test, BIOS 1201 x 1306

Q6600/2x2gb G.Skill PC8800
450fsb / DDR2 1124 CL5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: 8
PULL-INS: All Enabled

1201


1306


Good improvement on latency
Getting close to my P35 board

[xTKxhom3r]

so i guess its safe to say the new bios is better than 1201

[Rattle]

where the frock can we DL the 1306 bios

[CryptiK]

So is everyone using the beta bios linked a few pages back or the one from the normal ftp? Are these 2 links giving the same file? I would have thought the second link is more trustworthy, I have never seen/used the first link before.

1.) ftp://dlsvr.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5Q_Deluxe

2.) ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5Q_Deluxe

Is there now less vdrop/vdroop with the 1306 bios?

where the frock can we DL the 1306 bios

from either of the 2 links I just posted above

[ochero]

Can the P5Q Deluxe BIOS be used on a P5Q-E board... anyone tried it?
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Well here's the P5Q-E site: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5Q-E/ and the 1306 BIOS was posted 10mins earlier for the Deluxe (10:28AM) as opposed to 10:48 for the P5Q-E, so I'm guessing the BIOS for either board is identical. I'm pretty sure I saw someone metion this before, but I just wanted to double check again, rather than brick my board.

Also, if for some reason I don't like the 1306 BIOS, can I simply reflash back to 1201? --- which, other than the PL issue (no PL lower than 10) is rock stable. I'm at 533 FSB right now, with only 1.26v for NB (w/ .625 NB GTL) , 1.88v for RAM, 1.16v for vFSB/VTT & 1.52v for PLL

[kiikkuja]

Who's to say what is "right"?

If it's stable enough for what he uses it for, why run small FFT for 12+ hours? That's just obsene in my opinion... I have 3 hours worth of small FFT stability and I fold 24/7 without issue.

Does the f@home have a good error correction or does it check them at all?
When doing such important charity work I would make damn sure my results would be top notch.

[ci2kla]

Memory test, BIOS 1201 x 1306

Q6600/2x2gb G.Skill PC8800
450fsb / DDR2 1124 CL5-5-5-15
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: 8
PULL-INS: All Enabled

1201


1306


Good improvement on latency
Getting close to my P35 board

Would you please help try running CL4 and see if any great boost on "read" bandwidth? Thanks...

[gallag]

What do people get for system temps? Mine seem a bit high at 50 (read with asus pcprobe). Does anyone have active cooling?

[Rattle]

nice thanks for the links for 1306, will give it a go.

[Martin.v.r]

try to run auto GLT to cpu,I got it on auto

[CryptiK]

What do people get for system temps? Mine seem a bit high at 50 (read with asus pcprobe). Does anyone have active cooling?

I get 35*C max for the motherboard temp (that's what you meant, right?). No active cooling. I'm using 1.26v vNB.

Is there less vdroop on 1306?

[Blasar]

Blasar - I have the same mobo / mem / CPU as you, my settings are below. You may need more or less VCORE depending on your CPU to get to 3.4. Try setting to something like 1.40 and see if you can boot.

BTW, I use the yellow memory slots. I also found that FSB Termination Voltage & NB Voltage are essential to stability, at least for my setup. You also need more DRAM voltage, I have mine set to 2.02 b/c the mobo is known to overvolt. Finally, make sure to set your Performance Level to 8. Interestingly, I couldn't post when set higher (10).

Thanks for your reply

I´ll gonna try your settings, cross my fingers, and see what happens.

I´m really pissed off with this limitation. Does anyone with this board ever heard of such thing? My system boots only if i choose the 3rd option (starting from the bottom) for the ram frequency, any other option=no boot, no matter the voltages, settings, etc....

Because, if it´s not normal, something must be wrong with the board or with the mems, and if there´s a problem, can RMA be the solution?

Regards.

[gallag]

I get 35*C max for the motherboard temp (that's what you meant, right?). No active cooling. I'm using 1.26v vNB.

Is there less vdroop on 1306?

What program do you use for mesuring motherboard temp? Useing asus ai suite mine reads CPU 57*C SYSTEM 47*C and real temp reads cpu 65*C 65*C 63*C 63*C.

[CryptiK]

I just use asus probe too. What vNB do you use? What is your ambient temp?

Thanks for your reply

I´ll gonna try your settings, cross my fingers, and see what happens.

I´m really pissed off with this limitation. Does anyone with this board ever heard of such thing? My system boots only if i choose the 3rd option (starting from the bottom) for the ram frequency, any other option=no boot, no matter the voltages, settings, etc....

Because, if it´s not normal, something must be wrong with the board or with the mems, and if there´s a problem, can RMA be the solution?

Regards.

That is quite odd. It may be a defective board. I have a strange issue too, I cannot boot my ram between 1199 and 1277 MHz. I can get it stable at 499 FSB, DDR 1199 MHz, but if I set 500/1200 it wont boot. Then, I can all of sudden boot at 1277 up to 1333 (haven't tried higher). The board has a massive memory hole, and it really annoys me. I am also thinking my board may be defective, but i don't want to be without it while I'm rma'ing it. Then they'll probably just send it back and say it works fine.

[gallag]

I just use asus probe too. What vNB do you use? What is your ambient temp?

vNB=1.24

Ambient temp, no more than 23-28*C

Been running p95 large fft for over an hour now and asus probe is reading system 49*C, Kinda scarry, What are max temps for the northbridge?

[CryptiK]

I don't know, I should have said my system temp is 35*C max, there is no sensor for the NB temp. I don't know where the system temp is read from. Not sure why your temps are so high mate. 49*C sure is getting warm.

Is your NB heatsink mounted well and is it straight? (may have been damaged in transit) Assuming the system temp monitor is somewhere near the NB, it may be the cause. If not, no idea mate.

[gallag]

I don't know, I should have said my system temp is 35*C max, there is no sensor for the NB temp. I don't know where the system temp is read from. Not sure why your temps are so high mate. 49*C sure is getting warm.

Is your NB heatsink mounted well and is it straight? (may have been damaged in transit) Assuming the system temp monitor is somewhere near the NB, it may be the cause. If not, no idea mate.

Thanks, I will take a look.

[ci2kla]

I just use asus probe too. What vNB do you use? What is your ambient temp?



That is quite odd. It may be a defective board. I have a strange issue too, I cannot boot my ram between 1199 and 1277 MHz. I can get it stable at 499 FSB, DDR 1199 MHz, but if I set 500/1200 it wont boot. Then, I can all of sudden boot at 1277 up to 1333 (haven't tried higher). The board has a massive memory hole, and it really annoys me. I am also thinking my board may be defective, but i don't want to be without it while I'm rma'ing it. Then they'll probably just send it back and say it works fine.

Yes I agree that for the memory part this board is acting wierd...
I was using AVEXIR DDR2 667 (7ED22-D9GMH) OC to 1200Mhz with 2.02v rock solid stable.
However when I tried to push further like 1248 it needs massive bump of juice to 2.4v...
Also for the lantency part I got zero bandwidth gain on changing to CAS4 from CAS5 leaving FSB the same. I was wondering if it's a motherboard or BIOS issue and should I RMA this board at once...it's really bugging me