That's with Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering enabled or disabled ?Originally Posted by Boschwanza
Thats why i did the test again using the exact same presets for WiC "very high" and just change the Resolution to address differences.
Again
Will do some more tests this weekend.
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Enabled, both 4x
Jack can you test CoHOF and fix the display to 60Hz? Found out CoHOF always enables V-Sync and the sweet spot is around 60 FPS (@all max details 8*AA) so it just would be perfect for a comparision. 8800GTX and 4870 would be nice.
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Jack have you ever tested the Phenom with increased northbridge (L3) frequency? I've always wondered what the impact of increased NB/L3 frequency is on Phenom but no sites have really tested this. I'd like to see how Phenom @ 2.5GHz core / 2.4GHz NB performs compared to the NB @ 2GHz.
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Have been reading some game programming (very little) the last couple of days checking how it is done. What strikes me is that how little the performance of the game depends on the processor. If you can run the game on 640x480 then the processor is ok. How high (resolution) you can go depends on the video card.
There seems to be very few (if any) settings in games that will add work for the processor that are resolution dependent. AI and physics, detail etc will probably add work for it, haven’t read about that. But it should be the same for all resolutions.
Games don’t seem to use take advantage of higher resolutions for increasing the game experience for the player.
If the game is using threads then one single core processor should degrade performance but apart from that it’s the video card that decides game performance. Faster processors will of course increase FPS on low res but you will not go below min FPS on 640x480 because the processor isn’t enough on higher resolutions. If you go lower then it depends on the video card or something else, not the processor.
All this talk about what type of processor you need for gaming seems to just be fictional.
wow, just wow....
people where telling you for 15 pages that cpus mostly dont matter for highres gaming... and you where the one that refused to listen... people where bombarding you with facts... and now all of a sudden you came to the same conculsion, after "reading something about game programing", what people where telling you from left and right and what already is a well known fact...
i spare to say what this makes you look like...
But why are most gamers using intel then? And why do they overclock?
The processor doesn't matter but the communication between processor and hardware, memory speed does matter when it comes to min fps.
I admit that I thought that was some logics in what you read every ware that you need faster processors.
When you develop normal programs you try to use the whole screen and calculate how much it is possible to display, didn’t think that this was any different for game programmers. What I have seen among those is that type of programming today is very simple.
It’s enough for me to write in this language and I think it makes me look like…
You know, I don't care
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Hold on
@ Gosh -- good job! This whole discussion has made me learn as well, I think overall it has been extra positive.
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yes but nothing systematically -- and never recorded the results, i would like to look at that, so i will produce a little data for the thread.
The closest I have come is a fairly decent comparision of a 9600 BE @ 2.3 Ghz and 1800 Mhz NB vs a 9850 @ 2.3 GHz and 2000 Mhz, I also did some latency meaurments using CPUID latency and Everest latency reports... I can try to pull that info up and post it relatively quickly.
Jack
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How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
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Here you go... I did 1800, 2000, 2200, 2400 (2600 would not boot, though I have had it there before, not sure why at the moment). I ran 3DM06 and Everest memory benchmark and captured the screens. Again, I posted a link to the entire configuration of this system earlier in the thread... if you want me to re-link, let me know. This is done using a M3A32-MVP Deluxe board with DDR2-800 C4 RAM, a 4870 X2 with catalyst 8.8 drivers. 3DM06 was set to default, meaning 1280x1024.
Here are the screen shots.
As one expects, the mem BW, L3 BW and latency track linearly with NB speed. 3DM06 score also tracks somewhat linearly, starting at 13232 for 1800 MHz NB and ending at 13553 for 2400 MHz NB speed.
What is interesting is the CPU score, it peaks at 2200 then starts down.... but I caution you on this... I need to repeat the run many many times to ensure that it is statistically valid... I have not done that.
I may spend some time collecting that information and write an article about the data...
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What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
Very interesting..... the memory performance rises very nicely, a 10ns reduction in latency + a nice increase in bandwidth just by increasing the NB speed 20%.Here you go... I did 1800, 2000, 2200, 2400 (2600 would not boot, though I have had it there before, not sure why at the moment). I ran 3DM06 and Everest memory benchmark and captured the screens. Again, I posted a link to the entire configuration of this system earlier in the thread... if you want me to re-link, let me know. This is done using a M3A32-MVP Deluxe board with DDR2-800 C4 RAM, a 4870 X2 with catalyst 8.8 drivers. 3DM06 was set to default, meaning 1280x1024.
Here are the screen shots.
As one expects, the mem BW, L3 BW and latency track linearly with NB speed. 3DM06 score also tracks somewhat linearly, starting at 13232 for 1800 MHz NB and ending at 13553 for 2400 MHz NB speed.
What is interesting is the CPU score, it peaks at 2200 then starts down.... but I caution you on this... I need to repeat the run many many times to ensure that it is statistically valid... I have not done that.
I may spend some time collecting that information and write an article about the data...
Can you run any gaming tests comparing 2.0GHz / 2.4GHz NB speeds?
I really wish review sites were as comprehensive as you
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If you look closely you can see for example that:
HDR Canyon flight goes from 85.8 to 88.1 fps
and so on, guess it should translate same way to normal games.
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I will repeat Xplitz info below.Very interesting..... the memory performance rises very nicely, a 10ns reduction in latency + a nice increase in bandwidth just by increasing the NB speed 20%.
Can you run any gaming tests comparing 2.0GHz / 2.4GHz NB speeds?
I really wish review sites were as comprehensive as you
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
I am working on it.... hang tight. Just finished installing COH OP, this is darnedest most patched game in the history of gaming, everytime I started up the game -- You need a patch to continue, download?? WTF? Almost an infinite loop!
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One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
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